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From: Larry Price Subject: Politics and derivation Allen Ginsberg once noted that being an anarchist didn’t mean you could throw your trash in the street. Similarly, saying poetry won't feed the hungry masses has about the same meaning as saying a rice grower's fields won't scan or are overly committed to closure. The political can just as easily begin in the rejection of an easy forgetfulness, of saying, Since so many others DO (throw trash, etc.), what would be the point etc. of my not? That sense of resistance is not, I think, about autonomy only, but equally has implications for the intersubjective. That said (and because I do think it has to do with form), I'd like to air thoughts about Duncan's poetics of derivation. Pushed by Charles Alexander’s note on THE OPENING OF THE FIELD, I also went to the shelf, to FICTIVE CERTAINTIES and to AFTER LORCA. "I find again how Emersonian my spirit is. All of experience seems my trust fund to me; I must CULTIVATE THE MISTRUST THAT ALONE CAN GIVE CONTRAST AND THE NEEDED INNER TENSION FOR VITAL INTEREST. In this I stand almost heretically disposed to Olson's insistence on Melville's sense of inner catastrophe against the Emersonian bliss." [caps mine] That poetry is a contagion does seem like a good place to start, but Duncan's sense of "back and back and back" seems too comfortably located: "When I first decided to be a poet…this itself was a disordering of the world and its orders in which I had been raised...I had been preparing to enter that world…but my conversion to poetry was experienced…as being at war with every hope the world before had had of me...to give one’s life over to poetry, to become a poet, was to evidence a serious social disorder." On the other hand, Spicer: "Things decay, reason argues. Real things become garbage…Yes, but the garbage of the real still reaches out into the current world making its objects, in turn, visible -- lemon calls to lemon, newspaper to newspaper, boy to boy. As things decay, they bring their equivalents into being."
Two senses of disorder, as also many more times than one real, which may be why devotion towards them must be so disordered. So regarding form, it’s interesting to read Duncan’s sense of contagion as not being a resistive annihilating rod plied AGAINST convention, to read convention itself as having bred the contagion. The disorder that ensues is WITHIN THE TERMS OF CONVENTION. Whereas the disorder that is Spicer’s I read as issuing from the events TOWARDS WHICH his devotion runs. It’s difficult not to appear reductive, but, for me, that’s the divide in this discussion of form, new or otherwise.
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Preface Above the world-weary horiz
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of 750 subscribers. Because of the
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Introduction In a world where every
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But the "good old days" have passed
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Coeval with . . . to Ghosts vs. Mar
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From: Kevin Killian Subject: Carla
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If there’s one thing Harry learne
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The conservatism in this country co
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arts the mainstream is-and over the
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University of Auckland, is convenor
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less literate is implied by that "m
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What I am bothered about in these r
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Breaki
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characterization of some the struct
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This is not so much ingratiation of
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My reconstruction of the argument i
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into the poetic. And I am wondering
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From: Patrick Phillips Subject: The
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ideology which contorts the referen
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disparaging Reznikoff-while preserv
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intervention). Though I can anticip
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eturns, repetitions, etc., is perme
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From: Benjamin Friedlander Subject:
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shrewd, often polemical presence of
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eadings, recognition. Being inside,
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If I resist the idea of a literary
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From: Susan Schultz Subject: Commun
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From: Patrick Phillips Subject: The
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From: Steve Evans Subject: the soci
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The tradition of the oppressed teac
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My wobble is social, not theoretica
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Spicer
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Re: Gh
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Hermit Crabs Don’t Cry to Politic
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From: Robert Creeley Subject: Chick
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From: Jed Rasula Subject: Re: Olson
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BED… (P.S. Just in Baltimore and
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Motivat
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From: Steve Evans Subject: Motives
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7) Denial is an important part of t
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equirement of having to "pay dues,"
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From: Keith Tuma Subject: Re: Close
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From: Maria Damon Subject: more on
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From: David McAleavey Subject: Re:
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From: Kenneth Sherwood Subject: Int
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From: Hank Lazer Subject: close rea
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d’appui). It is easier for studen
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7a. Most probably that the monolith
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From: Eliot Katz Subject: more on c
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emancipatory elements which a reade
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From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: what
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in the culture through coercion of
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From: Kali Tal Subject: Re: what do
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their experience in a potent form-t
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From: Tom Mandel Subject: Re: Conse
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But her [Stein’s] account of firs
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ecognized as "man." In the cane-wei
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From: Alfred Corn (forwarded by Sus
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Value i
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From: Alan Golding Subject: Howe No
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so-called so-called Language writer
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From: Keith Tuma Subject: Ghost Cor
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ones that distinguish LP from "main
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the "mainstream" poetry that has th
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(politically indifferent, not worth
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Lee Bartlett did with Palmer in the
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seems to be a general consensus on
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From: Alfred Corn Subject: More For
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From: Marjorie Perloff Subject: Jor
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Childre
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From: Kevin Killian Subject: A happ
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From: Mark Wallace Subject: bland a
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From: Mark McMorris Subject: Re: bl
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what one could call a systematic sy
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While I agree with Jeff Hansen’s
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in this way as part of a guarantee
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The generational change has probabl
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of "elective affinity" by selective
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From: Jeff Hansen Subject: wild blu
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Hansen’s argument echoes (conscio
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not be so elegantly presented as it
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From: Jerry Rothenberg Subject: on
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I cannot make it cohere. I can read
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Before reading Pound, I had only re
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So why am I still conflicted about
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typos!) once a poem was in print. S
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Reproductions of Banality: Fascism,
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influence. This new Pound criticism
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Yet Pound’s poetry is never simpl
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From: Dick Higgins Subject: Web Poe
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