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magnified and multiplied in a world of weapons and media with such powers to make a hell of difference. Finally, if, as in the Apex intro I find so appalling, the poet is to be an iconoclast, she will have to knock over an idol and smash it. Another poet is a poor choice to begin.
From: Marjorie Perloff Subject: Re: apex of the m It’s true, of course, as Tom Mandel says, that every generation needs to clear a space for itself and that the Language poets, as James Sherry points out, did the same thing to the NY poets of the previous generation. And Frank O’Hara and company did it to T. S. Eliot (God save us from fisher kings!"). Still, there’s an air of implosion about this latest "manifesto." For one thing, the language poets were attacking an Establishment, but it’s hardly the case that today the L poets ARE the establishment. Most people around the country still consider them upstarts if they’ve so much as heard of them. Let’s get real. Secondly, if you want to launch a line of attack, you must have an articulated position. "Violence and precision" as Marinetti put it. It needn’t be totally coherent–and I agree that the Language manifestos of the 70s were hardly argued through–but you have to stand for something that’s then visible in the poetry itself. I just don’t see this "change" in Apex of the M. The poets printed therein take for granted that poetry is written in free verse (or prose) for starters. It’s a given. The rejection of a "high style" is another given. And so on. That leaves the manifesto with saying, more or less, we’re more against capitalism than the Language poets were and, at that level, the rhetoric fizzes out because the L poets in question had/have a particular Marxist position and carried it through. Ron Silliman, after all, was editor of the New Socialist Review. So if the editors of Apex don’t share that position, but feel Capital is the source of all evil, I’d like to know what they propose to do to fight capital.
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Preface Above the world-weary horiz
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of 750 subscribers. Because of the
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Introduction In a world where every
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But the "good old days" have passed
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Coeval with . . . to Ghosts vs. Mar
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From: Kevin Killian Subject: Carla
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If there’s one thing Harry learne
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The conservatism in this country co
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arts the mainstream is-and over the
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University of Auckland, is convenor
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less literate is implied by that "m
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What I am bothered about in these r
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Breaki
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characterization of some the struct
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This is not so much ingratiation of
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My reconstruction of the argument i
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into the poetic. And I am wondering
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From: Patrick Phillips Subject: The
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ideology which contorts the referen
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disparaging Reznikoff-while preserv
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intervention). Though I can anticip
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eturns, repetitions, etc., is perme
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From: Benjamin Friedlander Subject:
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shrewd, often polemical presence of
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eadings, recognition. Being inside,
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If I resist the idea of a literary
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From: Susan Schultz Subject: Commun
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From: Patrick Phillips Subject: The
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From: Steve Evans Subject: the soci
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The tradition of the oppressed teac
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My wobble is social, not theoretica
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Spicer
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Re: Gh
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Hermit Crabs Don’t Cry to Politic
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From: Robert Creeley Subject: Chick
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From: Jed Rasula Subject: Re: Olson
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BED… (P.S. Just in Baltimore and
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Motivat
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From: Steve Evans Subject: Motives
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past year or so, despite the fact t
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It seems clear to me that some of t
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To clarify one general point in clo
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the most "out there" manifesto we
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Actually, the question of age is a
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Page 93 and 94: From: Ron Silliman Subject: Flaming
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Page 111 and 112: From: Susan Schultz Subject: notes
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Page 115 and 116: From: Steve Evans Subject: Shake Th
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From: Kenneth Sherwood Subject: Int
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From: Hank Lazer Subject: close rea
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d’appui). It is easier for studen
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7a. Most probably that the monolith
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From: Eliot Katz Subject: more on c
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emancipatory elements which a reade
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From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: what
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in the culture through coercion of
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From: Kali Tal Subject: Re: what do
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their experience in a potent form-t
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From: Tom Mandel Subject: Re: Conse
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From: Colleen Lookingbill Subject:
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But her [Stein’s] account of firs
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ecognized as "man." In the cane-wei
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From: Alfred Corn (forwarded by Sus
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Value i
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From: Alan Golding Subject: Howe No
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so-called so-called Language writer
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From: Keith Tuma Subject: Ghost Cor
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ones that distinguish LP from "main
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the "mainstream" poetry that has th
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(politically indifferent, not worth
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Lee Bartlett did with Palmer in the
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seems to be a general consensus on
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From: Alfred Corn Subject: More For
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From: Marjorie Perloff Subject: Jor
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Childre
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From: Kevin Killian Subject: A happ
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From: Mark Wallace Subject: bland a
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From: Mark McMorris Subject: Re: bl
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what one could call a systematic sy
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While I agree with Jeff Hansen’s
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in this way as part of a guarantee
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The generational change has probabl
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of "elective affinity" by selective
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From: Jeff Hansen Subject: wild blu
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Hansen’s argument echoes (conscio
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not be so elegantly presented as it
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From: Jerry Rothenberg Subject: on
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I cannot make it cohere. I can read
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Before reading Pound, I had only re
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So why am I still conflicted about
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typos!) once a poem was in print. S
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Reproductions of Banality: Fascism,
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influence. This new Pound criticism
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Yet Pound’s poetry is never simpl
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From: Dick Higgins Subject: Web Poe
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