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From: Ron Silliman Subject: G2 Steve Evans always has interesting and valuable points to make. I want to unpack a couple here. > Apropos Claim 2: The ominous scenario in which the social is some- > how "drained" away only makes sense if such devices as one finds in > ITAT represent the exclusive means of criticizing existing social > relations and evoking potentials for social transformation. I didn’t (don’t) make any claim of exclusivity of devices for In the American Tree and the concept makes no sense to me. I could point to hundreds of alternative examples from my own generation alone that are equally social but well outside the positioned critique that separates out most of the Tree’s poets from the broader (less differentiated) terrain. > Ron establishes a double bind for G2: continue to employ G1’s devices > (in which case you’ll be labeled derivative and your motivation will be > characterized as improper) or invent/adopt other devices (in which case > you’ll be accused of permitting the "social" to "drain" away). What other devices? It is precisely the continuation of the same set of devices in increasingly modest forms that characterizes the broader poetics of G2, as Steve calls it in a curiously clinical abbreviation. It is that modesty, as such, that I was getting at as a "draining of the social"– and I accept the possibility that it may actually represent a much more complex ensemble of social phenomena, that may well include grave doubt over the possibilities of collective action (say), all of which would be well worth elaborating on at length And I should note from the outset the obvious, that the choice of such forms need not limit any individual poet from achieving as much as anybody ever has.
It seems clear to me that some of the writers in O-blek 12 – Lee Ann Brown and Jessica Grim for example – have already established themselves as major poets. On anybody’s terms. >Apropos Claim 3: Does it make sense to compare the New Coast, an >emphatically "prospective" collection of 119 young writers, to such >retrospective anthologies as the New American <strong>Poetry</strong> and ITAT? I for one don’t buy the "prospective" nature of O-blek 12 as anything other than as a stance. And a troubling one. The average age of the poets in O-blek 12 may well be 5 years OLDER than the poets in the Allen anthology, for example. And the aggressive placement of the "spirit" section at the front of the "technique" (i.e. theory) volume shows an overall argumentative structure that is more aggressive even than the Tree. What "prospective" seems to mean here is a reluctance to acknowledge or own its own position. At least the Apex folks don’t suffer from that.…
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Preface Above the world-weary horiz
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of 750 subscribers. Because of the
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Introduction In a world where every
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But the "good old days" have passed
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Coeval with . . . to Ghosts vs. Mar
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From: Kevin Killian Subject: Carla
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If there’s one thing Harry learne
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The conservatism in this country co
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arts the mainstream is-and over the
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University of Auckland, is convenor
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less literate is implied by that "m
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What I am bothered about in these r
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Breaki
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characterization of some the struct
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Page 57 and 58: From: Steve Evans Subject: the soci
Page 59 and 60: The tradition of the oppressed teac
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Page 75 and 76: From: Ron Silliman Subject: Motivat
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Page 93 and 94: From: Ron Silliman Subject: Flaming
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Two senses of disorder, as also man
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At its best, Language poetry never
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hymed couplets I’ll be a langpo w
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From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: Re:
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From: Tom Mandel Subject: Re: apex
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From: Marjorie Perloff Subject: Re:
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language fails to describe their ex
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From: Eric Pape Subject: Re: apex o
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All every night walk by the venue i
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From: Ira Lightman Subject: CALL FO
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From: Bob Perelman Subject: Governm
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independence and possible sense of
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imagination, and often introduces t
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Boy Tal
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From: B. Cass Clarke Subject: Quan
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Look at it this way-email is one of
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From: Nada Gordon Subject: where th
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From: Cynthia Kimball Subject: Ghos
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From: Loss Glazier Subject: Re: boy
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I do not want to be a woman all the
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i yam what i yam a world-changing f
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SAME TIME TO EXPLORE THEORIES OF SE
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From: Kali Tal Subject: Re: Boy Tal
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From: Ann Louise Vickery Subject: D
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From: Colleen Lookingbill Subject:
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7) Denial is an important part of t
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equirement of having to "pay dues,"
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From: Keith Tuma Subject: Re: Close
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From: Maria Damon Subject: more on
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From: David McAleavey Subject: Re:
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From: Kenneth Sherwood Subject: Int
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From: Hank Lazer Subject: close rea
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d’appui). It is easier for studen
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7a. Most probably that the monolith
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From: Eliot Katz Subject: more on c
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emancipatory elements which a reade
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From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: what
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in the culture through coercion of
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From: Kali Tal Subject: Re: what do
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their experience in a potent form-t
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From: Tom Mandel Subject: Re: Conse
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From: Colleen Lookingbill Subject:
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But her [Stein’s] account of firs
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ecognized as "man." In the cane-wei
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From: Alfred Corn (forwarded by Sus
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Value i
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From: Alan Golding Subject: Howe No
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so-called so-called Language writer
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From: Keith Tuma Subject: Ghost Cor
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ones that distinguish LP from "main
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the "mainstream" poetry that has th
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(politically indifferent, not worth
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Lee Bartlett did with Palmer in the
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seems to be a general consensus on
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From: Alfred Corn Subject: More For
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From: Marjorie Perloff Subject: Jor
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Childre
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From: Kevin Killian Subject: A happ
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From: Mark Wallace Subject: bland a
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From: Mark McMorris Subject: Re: bl
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what one could call a systematic sy
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While I agree with Jeff Hansen’s
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in this way as part of a guarantee
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The generational change has probabl
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of "elective affinity" by selective
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From: Jeff Hansen Subject: wild blu
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Hansen’s argument echoes (conscio
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not be so elegantly presented as it
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From: Jerry Rothenberg Subject: on
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I cannot make it cohere. I can read
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Before reading Pound, I had only re
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So why am I still conflicted about
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typos!) once a poem was in print. S
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Reproductions of Banality: Fascism,
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influence. This new Pound criticism
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Yet Pound’s poetry is never simpl
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From: Dick Higgins Subject: Web Poe
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