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with a rather more complex sense of literary and personal history than that, so that while it’s partly involved with bunking (I like that term, Chris), it’s also attentive to points of difference, disagreement, and to the bringing together of strange bedfellows (O’Hara and Barthes). But enough on a book that is not yet a book, that no-one’s read. I have to agree with Marjorie on The Trouble with Genius. As I read it, the four writers engage Perelman precisely because of the conflicting impulses within their work; the internal contradictions are generative, not "problems" or "weaknesses." Just like the internal contradictions within a poetic "movement." And that connects (I hope!) with what Tom Kirby-Smith said about the New Formalists. Granted, Tom, that like any movement the NF is much less homogeneous that it might first appear. But remember too that this was not a label that some evil critic stuck on all these innocent diverse writers who were just sitting out doing their thing. This is a self-consciously self-constituted group; even though some people might resist the label, lack any sense of group identification, or have lost it later (as you suggest Tim Steele has), the fact is that a group of writers (predominantly male, as seems nearly always usual) with shared concerns agreed to present themselves as a group, a movement, and set out to produce polemics and manifestoes designed to represent and further their work and interests. In the mid-late ‘80s they even explicitly talked about themselves as an alternative avant-garde to LP. This is my sense of the history, anyway. Am I way off? Names associated with the movement in these formative stages would include Frederick Turner, Frederick Feirstein, Robert McDowell, Dick Allen, Dana Gioia, just to mention the main polemicists (editors of essay collections, editors of special issues of mags., writers of manifestoes). And from a pretty early stage, fellow travellers would include Robert McPhillips, Brad Leithauser, Mary Jo Salter, Molly Peacock, Timothy Steele, Charles Martin, Paul Lake, Mark Jarman, Gertrude Schnackenberg. A diverse group geographically, professionally, and in other ways, but they did constitute themselves in print as a group with identifiable (and self-identified) concerns. Differences–those too. I hear that Dana Gioia is putting together a NF anthology that does not include Dick Allen, a founder member. A bit like an LP anthology without Silliman, Bernstein, Watten, Andrews, or whomever. One more thought on Susan Howe. I have no desire whatever to resurrect the soul/spirit thread: but surely ("surely") one reason that the Apex of the M-ers take Howe and John Taggart as models is that there’s a strong sense of the spiritual (however unconventionally defined) in both writers, and that this is one point of difference between them and many so-called so-called so-called
so-called so-called Language writers. And no, I’m not going to try and define "spiritual." David Bromige writes that the most charged points for him in reading even writers that he cares about are those points "where interest and disaffection war" in his reading. This seems to me a good summary of how Bob approaches the writers in Trouble with Genius.…
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Preface Above the world-weary horiz
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of 750 subscribers. Because of the
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Introduction In a world where every
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But the "good old days" have passed
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Coeval with . . . to Ghosts vs. Mar
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From: Kevin Killian Subject: Carla
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If there’s one thing Harry learne
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The conservatism in this country co
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arts the mainstream is-and over the
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University of Auckland, is convenor
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less literate is implied by that "m
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What I am bothered about in these r
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Breaki
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characterization of some the struct
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This is not so much ingratiation of
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My reconstruction of the argument i
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into the poetic. And I am wondering
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From: Patrick Phillips Subject: The
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ideology which contorts the referen
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disparaging Reznikoff-while preserv
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intervention). Though I can anticip
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eturns, repetitions, etc., is perme
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From: Benjamin Friedlander Subject:
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shrewd, often polemical presence of
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eadings, recognition. Being inside,
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If I resist the idea of a literary
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From: Susan Schultz Subject: Commun
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From: Patrick Phillips Subject: The
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From: Steve Evans Subject: the soci
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The tradition of the oppressed teac
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My wobble is social, not theoretica
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Spicer
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From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Re: Gh
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Hermit Crabs Don’t Cry to Politic
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From: Robert Creeley Subject: Chick
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From: Jed Rasula Subject: Re: Olson
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BED… (P.S. Just in Baltimore and
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Motivat
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From: Steve Evans Subject: Motives
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past year or so, despite the fact t
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It seems clear to me that some of t
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To clarify one general point in clo
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the most "out there" manifesto we
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Actually, the question of age is a
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indulges in "increasingly modest fo
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From: Tony Green Subject: calling G
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Flaming
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parataxis, collage, sonnets, whatev
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From: Larry Price Subject: Anachron
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Exile o
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From: Paul Hoover Subject: politics
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From: Aldon L. Nielsen Subject: lat
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Every site glides away toward absen
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Certain aspects of desire were regi
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whatever chaotic way) offer the abi
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From: Susan Schultz Subject: notes
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mouth, thick with money and piety a
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From: Steve Evans Subject: Shake Th
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From: Susan Schultz Subject: haoles
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Univers
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From: Steve Evans Subject: Universa
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From: James Sherry Subject: Re: Uni
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From: Wystan Curnow Subject: Re-Aca
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From: John Cayley Subject: Experime
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From: Marisa A Januzzi Subject: dis
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Two senses of disorder, as also man
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At its best, Language poetry never
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hymed couplets I’ll be a langpo w
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From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: Re:
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From: Tom Mandel Subject: Re: apex
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From: Marjorie Perloff Subject: Re:
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language fails to describe their ex
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From: Eric Pape Subject: Re: apex o
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All every night walk by the venue i
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From: Ira Lightman Subject: CALL FO
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From: Bob Perelman Subject: Governm
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independence and possible sense of
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imagination, and often introduces t
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From: Ron Silliman Subject: Boy Tal
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From: B. Cass Clarke Subject: Quan
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Look at it this way-email is one of
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From: Nada Gordon Subject: where th
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From: Cynthia Kimball Subject: Ghos
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From: Loss Glazier Subject: Re: boy
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I do not want to be a woman all the
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i yam what i yam a world-changing f
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typos!) once a poem was in print. S
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Reproductions of Banality: Fascism,
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influence. This new Pound criticism
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Yet Pound’s poetry is never simpl
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From: Dick Higgins Subject: Web Poe
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