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Privacy and Injunctions - Evidence - Parliament

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The Rt Hon. Sir Nicholas Wall <strong>and</strong> Mr Justice Baker—Oral evidence (QQ 445–485)<br />

Mr Justice Baker: The cases we deal with tend not to attract the level of publicity<br />

that celebrity super-injunction cases attract. The Family Division does not have experience<br />

of internet publicity, blogging <strong>and</strong> tweeting on the viral scale that occurred in the Giggs case<br />

<strong>and</strong> other cases. Those using the internet to break an injunction made by a family court<br />

judge are not the press, a public figure or a well-known blogger; it tends to be someone with<br />

a much smaller following. The answer to your question is that in our jurisdiction the impact<br />

of an internet breach of an injunction is less significant than a breach by a newspaper. Having<br />

said that, newspapers hardly ever break these orders, whereas small breaches on the<br />

internet are not uncommon.<br />

Q466 Lord Dobbs: Can either of you conceive of any public interest justification<br />

for breaching one of your injunctions?<br />

Sir Nicholas Wall: I cannot see any reason.<br />

Mr Justice Baker: No.<br />

Q467 Lord Dobbs: Otherwise, you would not have granted them in the first<br />

place, presumably.<br />

Mr Justice Baker: Yes. The court has made an order having heard both sides <strong>and</strong><br />

provided for the press to be represented. The court has carried out its functions. That is<br />

why you have courts.<br />

Q468 Mr Bradshaw: Is Sir Nicholas at liberty to tell us a little more about the<br />

Irel<strong>and</strong>–Germany case <strong>and</strong> its impact?<br />

Sir Nicholas Wall: I can tell you in a few sentences. In the circumstances I was<br />

forced to go public. The local authority came to me <strong>and</strong> said, “We cannot answer these<br />

allegations without putting everything into the public domain.” The only thing I refused to<br />

put into the public domain was the name of the child, although the name was in the public<br />

domain in the sense that the breaches of the injunction had taken place. I decided that the<br />

only way the record could be put straight was by publication. I was very concerned about it,<br />

because it seemed to me that as a matter of principle one should not go public simply<br />

because someone else has broken the rules. One either has rules that enable one to go<br />

public properly or one does not. I found it a very difficult balance to strike. I was under<br />

pressure to name the child. I declined to do so on the basis that the fact others had illicitly<br />

named the child did not <strong>and</strong> should not entitle me to do so, but it was a very worrying<br />

situation.<br />

Q469 Lord Hollick: As you say, this is a present but growing problem. As more<br />

<strong>and</strong> more people turn to the internet for their information, <strong>and</strong> as social media link<br />

information so something of interest can be accessed very quickly, is there not a problem<br />

where effectively there is a breach of an injunction that is widely available on the internet, at<br />

which point the press say that it is so widely available why should not the injunction now be<br />

lifted? How do you reconcile those issues?<br />

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