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Privacy and Injunctions - Evidence - Parliament

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David Price QC, Gavin Millar QC, Gillian Phillips, solicitor, Director of Editorial Legal<br />

Services ,The Guardian, <strong>and</strong> Reynolds Porter Chamberlain—Oral evidence (QQ 33–64)<br />

A minute ago you asked for some figures. You will probably get more reliable figures<br />

from the witnesses who follow us because they act for claimants <strong>and</strong> generally we do not,<br />

with the exception of David, who does some claimant work. Based on experience,<br />

obviously the cost of getting an injunction will vary from case to case, but I think it would be<br />

a minimum of £15,000 to £25,000, <strong>and</strong> it could be a lot more depending on the degree of<br />

opposition to the injunction. As to taking a privacy case to trial, I can give you the example<br />

of the Rio Ferdin<strong>and</strong> case in which the costs of the newspaper, for which I acted, were about<br />

£160,000 <strong>and</strong> the claimant’s costs were about £270,000 or £280,000. I may st<strong>and</strong> to be<br />

corrected on that, but those are the kinds of figures we are talking about. As to where<br />

privacy st<strong>and</strong>s in relation to other kinds of litigation, it is more expensive than personal<br />

injury but less expensive than commercial litigation <strong>and</strong> other forms of litigation.<br />

Gavin Millar: I agree with everything everybody else has said. There is a category of<br />

privacy case where the person qualifies for legal aid <strong>and</strong> can apply for injunction. Those<br />

cases do happen. I acted for a claimant in that position against the BBC <strong>and</strong> obtained an<br />

injunction to stop or alter a television programme. As in all areas of the law, there is a gap<br />

between the few entitled to legal aid <strong>and</strong> those who can litigate without worrying about the<br />

cost.<br />

Q829 Lord Boateng: That is a gap into which most people fall.<br />

Gavin Millar: Yes, <strong>and</strong> they need a conditional fee agreement. David is absolutely<br />

right about that. It may not be very attractive to the lawyer, <strong>and</strong> there is a very small group<br />

of people who can bring these privacy cases. There will not be one on the high street. They<br />

cannot run off to David Price’s office in Fleet Street <strong>and</strong> get to the point of asking him to do<br />

it on a CFA. What is interesting about cases where people are on legal aid, which I as well<br />

as colleagues in my chambers have done, is that they tend to be—I do not suggest this is in<br />

any way improper, or that their human rights should not be respected as much as anybody<br />

else’s—criminals, prisoners <strong>and</strong> people involved in family litigation who happen to have<br />

lawyers on the job with the benefit of legal aid in some other area of their lives, <strong>and</strong> who get<br />

them to the point where they can think about bringing a privacy injunction against a tabloid<br />

for something being written about them. There is a big gap in the middle as far as concerns<br />

the people who do or can bring these injunction applications.<br />

Q830 Lord Gold: Following on from the issue about cost <strong>and</strong> access to this area,<br />

should we move towards making the court the place of last resort? Should we look to<br />

encourage some sort of mediation, by which I mean something a little more than a<br />

go-between, rather evaluative mediation, where perhaps with a beefed-up PCC, claimants<br />

<strong>and</strong> newspapers are required to get into a dialogue at a very early stage? There will still be a<br />

need for legal representation but the costs could be very much lower. There would be a<br />

team of experts who know the area <strong>and</strong> the issues extremely well <strong>and</strong> who would seek to<br />

persuade or encourage the two parties to reach an accommodation. They would always<br />

have the opportunity to go to court if they cannot agree, but the idea would be to try to<br />

give access to those people who cannot go to lawyers <strong>and</strong> cannot afford it. It would also<br />

perhaps deal with Mr Price’s point about balance, because I suspect that if there were<br />

experts in this field who were part <strong>and</strong> parcel of the process, we might well find that the<br />

pendulum would swing back to the sort of balance he has in mind. Is that a good idea?<br />

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