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Discussions 89<br />
He also agreed with the permanent shock framework and thought that the<br />
measurement of time-varying potential output growth matched well his views<br />
of the crisis, including the time-varying capacity to repay debt. However, he<br />
did not share the report’s alarmist view of emerging economies. The situation is<br />
worse in the developed economies than in the emerging economies. Some data<br />
inconsistencies plague the comparison of leverage between the US, Europe and<br />
the emerging economies. Leverage is overestimated for Europe and the emerging<br />
markets relative to the US. Causality is also uncertain – is leverage the reason for<br />
low growth, or vice versa<br />
Ginguené added a few points:<br />
• The increase in leverage in emerging economies is largely a Chinese<br />
phenomenon.<br />
• Given that nominal interest rates and nominal GDP growth are strongly<br />
co-integrated, it is appropriate to use a time-varying discount factor as<br />
is done in the report.<br />
• If the trend is set without considering the crisis, then the results are<br />
very different from if the trend is calculated including the crisis. When<br />
including the crisis, the permanent shock can be interpreted as the<br />
adjustment of excess growth and leverage before the crisis.<br />
• This is why the direction of causality between leverage and growth<br />
becomes quite opaque.<br />
• The debt Laffer curve introduced in the report is quite original and<br />
useful.<br />
Atif Mian, Princeton University<br />
Atif Mian agreed that we have not yet seen a significant deleveraging at the global<br />
level or a decline in debt. Instead, we have seen a continuous increase in leverage<br />
along with a decline in growth, which from a sustainability perspective leaves<br />
some questions that need to be addressed.<br />
The fundamental problem we face is two-fold: leverage before and after<br />
the crisis. Before the crisis, leverage increased at a time of sustained economic<br />
growth, falling real interest rates and no inflationary pressure. After the crisis, as<br />
the authors point out, leverage kept rising as private debt turned into public debt<br />
and debt levels increased in emerging market economies, such as China. Debt<br />
could be the fundamental problem; alternatively, debt could be the symptom of<br />
deeper problems in the economy.<br />
As noted by Thomas Piketty, the median income in the US has remained<br />
stagnant since the 1970s. If income accumulates at the top of the income<br />
distribution, increases in savings by already high-saving top earners mean that<br />
the economy will have a hard time equilibrating supply and demand, unless there<br />
is way to fill the gap by the issuance of more debt. This is what has happened in<br />
the US. Leverage is a symptom of the economy trying to balance itself.<br />
The Chinese economy, instead, relied on someone borrowing and buying its<br />
goods. Before the crisis, outsiders leveraged and borrowed to buy Chinese goods,<br />
but when outsiders stop leveraging then the domestic economy needs to generate