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98 Deleveraging, What Deleveraging<br />

already. Wage inflation in Shenzhen and other cities has been running at 20%<br />

per year since 2009, which reduces the profits of companies such as Foxconn,<br />

Nike and others. Worldwide food prices, such as soya beans and pork meat, are<br />

rising, which hurts countries like Argentina. The hukou system can be solved<br />

but the cost to China’s government will be roughly $1.3 trillion. Who is going<br />

to pay for it – the central or local governments Until that problem is solved,<br />

China’s growth rate will be 6-7%. It is not easy to move 400 million workers from<br />

agriculture into more productive industries.<br />

Yi Huang observed that the big jump in the Chinese debt-to-GDP ratio since<br />

2008 came mainly from the $4 trillion stimulus package. It took the form of a<br />

credit expansion directed at stable and local government investment vehicles.<br />

This huge amount of liquidity, which encouraged the buying of land, ended up in<br />

domestic banks deposits and, through Hong Kong, in US dollars. Investors then<br />

borrowed these US dollars and, in doing so, they bet on a depreciation and on<br />

profits from financial intermediation, which is dangerous. This round-trip process<br />

is related to financial repression in China and to the way credit is allocated in<br />

the domestic economy. This lack of financial development, rather than too much<br />

debt, is the reason why the Chinese authorities are now proceeding to financial<br />

market liberalisation. To deal with the hukou problem, China is abolishing its<br />

one child policy as a way of increasing labour supply and is reforming its system<br />

of land property rights.<br />

The authors then reacted to these comments. Lucrezia Reichlin first responded<br />

to Angel Ubide about the shock to asset prices. The point is that this is not just<br />

about potential income but also about asset price volatility. This is important when<br />

comparing the US and Eurozone policies. In the US, the sustained quantitative<br />

easing policy, combined with easier fiscal policy, made the deleveraging process<br />

less painful. Reichlin also accepted the point by José Luis Malo de Molina that<br />

sequencing is good in principle but very difficult in practice, especially as there is<br />

still no fiscal policy tool in the Eurozone. Even if a Eurozone fiscal policy tool did<br />

exist, the question of what would be a credible fiscal framework remains open.<br />

Regarding the issue of dealing with the banks at a very early stage, she disagreed<br />

with Fabio Panetta. The first phase of the crisis in the Eurozone was mainly an<br />

interbank market story – the interbank market dried out because of counterparty<br />

risk. Dealing with banks at an early stage has the advantage of dealing with<br />

counterparty risk, establishes clarity and distinguishes between the good and the<br />

bad part of the banking system. For a long time, the ECB was providing liquidity<br />

to everybody without knowing what was on the balance sheet of each bank. It is<br />

only now that we are dealing with that.<br />

The banking system has become very fragmented geographically because we<br />

have not been able to deal with sovereign risk and bank risk. No matter what the<br />

size of the ECB’s balance sheet is, the transmission mechanism does not work<br />

because interest rates in Spain, for example, are much higher than in Germany.<br />

Even though some progress has now been made with the banking union and<br />

other aspects, the Eurozone faces the more traditional issue of low inflation. The<br />

tools used by the Fed ought to be recognised.

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