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tatu: ya bantu mbili/ nayee
alikufa katikati ya bantu mbili/
alifungwa vilevile nayee
alifungwa/ ilikuwa tu pamoja/
6.
F: mm/ bon: mwisho ya: ngambo ya
gani: ya [rummaging] Lumumba:
kiisha tuliendelea: na ile ingine:
nafwata/ ni kusema: turudie ku
Katanga/ [Painting 69: The Deaths
of the Innocent Children]
T: bon/
F: sasa tunasem: tunaona: paka ma:
mu: tableau soixante huit: la mort
des innocents/ innocents: tunaona
mumbunda: mampala: bulalo:
T: bon/
F: na wanamuke:
T: na bitunga: ile: ya kichwa:
F: mm/
T: eeh/
F: beko banakimbia?
T: banakimbia mvita/
F: kwenda wapi?
T: sasa banakwenda mu ma: bengine
banakwenda kwa Kanyakaa/ ku mugini
moja: kwa chefu moya hivi/
F: mm/
T: kule balikimbiliaka/ bengine
banakwenda mu pori/
F: mm/
T: ilikuwa mateso ya kila mufano
tu/
F: be: balikuwa bantu ya kila
kabila?
T: balikuwa bantu ya kila kabila
ya Katanga/
F: bon/ sasa ulisema: mwanamuke
ingine: batoto yabo ilikuwa:
T: kama anabeba mutoto:
F: ilikuwa m: buzito:
T: bon kama anaona fasi
anafichama: anasikia masashi
inalia: mutoto anaanza kulia:
bataweza kamata mutoto anamutupa
hata chini/ yee anakwenda/ ou
bien: pa kupita pa kilalo pale:
mutoto kama anapita kulia: anaona
buzhito: anatosha mutoto: anatupa
mu maji mule/ yee anaanza:
F: kuua batoto yabo?
T: mutoto yake mwenye kuzala/
anatosha tu kikwembe hivi:
anafungula: anatupa ndani ya maji/
F: ile uliisha kuona: na mecho
yako?
T: ile ilikuwa mambo ya kweli/
bale baliona/ na mafoto:
balikamata bengine/
or rather two others. [Lumbumba]
also died between two people. And
he was tied up the way Jesus was.
It was just the same.
6.
F: Mm-hmm. Alright. So we covered
that angle of Lumumba's story.
Then we went on with that other
[painting] that follows. In other
words, let's go back to Katanga
[Painting 69: The Deaths of the
Innocent Children].
F: Now we see in the painting
sixty-eight the death of the
innocent. The innocent. We see the
smoke stack and the slag heap, and
a bridge.
T: Right.
F: And women...
T: ... carrying these baskets on
their heads.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Yes.
F: Are they are fleeing?
T: They are fleeing from the war.
F: Where are they going?
T: Some go to Kanyakaa, to a
village [named after] a chief.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: That's where they fled. Others
take to the bush.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: There was suffering of every
imaginable kind.
F: Did they belong to all ethnic
groups?
T: They belonged to every ethnic
group in Katanga.
F: Alright. Now, you said that
some women -- their children
were...
T: Some women carried their child.
F: It was a burden.
T: Alright, [this woman] looked
for a place to hide, the bullets
where whistling and the child
begins to cry. It got so far she
would throw the child on the
ground and run away. Or, when she
went by the bridge there and the
child would cry too much she would
realize that the child was a
burden, she would take it off [her
back] and throw it there into the
water. She would...
F: They killed their own children?
T: The very child she had given
birth to. She would untie it from
the wrap she was carrying it in
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