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9.
F: bon: na tena: massacre ya
Kipushi: ni [Painting 72: The
Massacre of the Luba at Kipushi]
T: oui/ massacre ya Kipushi:
F: hapa ni s: numéro septante:
hapa septante et un:
T: eeh/
F: paka ku: ilikuwa tu ndani ya
kiwanza: ao mbele:
T: ilikuwa ndani ya mugini/
F: ndani ya mugini/
T: c'est que ni ku nyumba: ku
nyumba/ kama banafika kule:
F: mu nyumba mm/
T: batakutosha na famille yako
yote/ eh? ilikuya: c'est vrai ts/
F: kumbe: sikukuwa mu usine ao mu
mu: mu:
T: hapana ile tunareprésenter: juu
ya
F: mungoti:
T: mufahamu kama: ni mu Kipushi/
c'est que ni mu: ni ku mu: fasi ya
mungoti tuseme/
F: ni vile uliweka: mungoti:
T: ni kuonyesha tu asema ni fasi
fulani/ mm? sawa ni kitu munene:
ilikuwa kintu munene:
F: ile ile munene: inaitwa namna
gani?
T: ile: shee tuko naita kama ni
mungoti/
F: mungoti/
T: ku mungoti/ mm/ sawa kwa sasa
hapa kama tunataka kudessiner
Kipushi: kusema mambo ya mu
Kispushi: tutafanya puits cinq/
F: mm/
T: ile: ile nani: kama ...?...
munene/
F: oui oui/ na hii: ilikuwa ya
zamani?
T: ii ilikuwa ni ile ya zamani/ ni
mine: ni nani: Prince Léopold/
F: mm/
T: mm/ sasa banaita asema miki:
MK/
F: na baliua tu ba:
T: baliua batu mingine sana/
F: minaona tu mwanaume/
T: na: unaona banamuke
balikuyakako: na batoto benyewe/
F: eyo/
T: ilikuya wale wanakuta: weye:
banamitosha ndani ya nyumba: kama
unaisha kukomea: uko na mama yako
T: Yes.
9.
F: Fine, and then the massacre of
Kipushi [Painting 72: The Massacre
of the Luba at Kipushi].
T: Yes, the massacre of Kipushi.
F: Here we get to number seventy,
seventy-one.
T: Right.
F: This was on the grounds of the
mind, or in front of it.
T: It was in the settlement.
F: Inside the settlement.
T: They came to the houses over
there.
F: In the houses.
T: They would take you with your
whole family [from your house],
right?. This happened, it's the
truth.
F: So this was not in the mine or
in...
T: No, I represent [the mine] so
it will be...
F: The mine.
T: ... so it will be recognized
that it happened in Kipushi which
is a mining town.
F: This is why you put the mine
[in the picture].
T: It is to show where it was.
Mm-hmm? Because it is an
impressive thing, it was an
impressive thing.
F: What are those tall structures
called?
T: We call them pits.
F: Pits.
T: At the pits, mm-hmm. Nowadays,
when we want to draw Kipushi or
tell of something that happened in
Kipushi, we'll paint Pit Number 5.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: This is the tall one.
F: And this [pit], had it been
there since long ago?
T: It was the old one, it's the
mine "Prince Léopold."
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Mm-hmm. Nowadays they call it
MK.
F: So they just killed ...
T: They killed many, many people.
F: I seem to see only men.
T: You also see women who were
there, and even children.
F: I see.
T: What happened was that if those
killers caught you at home they
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