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ndani/ utaona: ile mayi inakamata
buchafu mutupa paka mpembeni/ iko
mweupe na utaona na chini yake/
fasi banatoshaka diamant/
F: mm/
T: tuseme/
F: mbushi:
T: Mbuji Mayi/
F: mbuji ni kusema:
T: mbuji? ni mbuji wetu huyu/
chèvre/
F: eeh/
T: eeh/ ni mbuji/
F: mm/
T: mayi: ni ile mayi/
F: mm/
T: eeh/ mais ilikuwa mu: Français:
bouche: kama ni bouche mayi: c'est
ba: bantu: bazungu baliish:
bazungu baliita embouchire/
F: ahah/
T: à l'embouchire: sasa bantu
banaita asema: mbuji: mayi/
F: mayi/
T: mm/
F: kumbe ule nani:
T: Tshinyama/
F: Tshinyama/
T: mm/
F: sasa uliweka coup d'état: entre
coup d'etat uliweka hii victoire:
T: bon/
F: et na:
T: njo kusema coup d'état: njo
kusema: la fin/
F: oui/
T: semasema la fin: du royaume/
ile i: njo ilikuya royaume/ na yee
Kalonji eh?
F: mm/
T: alikuya: shi ?kushikia
busultani: alikuya na ile: lion/
F: lion/
T: simba/ et puis alikuwa na
léopard/ mu victoire yake: pa
timbres yake: alikamataka kichwa
ya lion: ya léopard: anaweka: vile
minafanya/
F: sasa ile royaume ilikawa: mwezi
ngapi?
T: royaume ya Kalonji?
F: eeh/
T: non: royaume ilianza: soixante:
soixante: soixante et un: soixante
deux: fini/
F: mm/
T: ni vile ilikuya/ non soixante
trois/ kwanza kwake/
F: eh/
T: When you throw dirt in it you
will see that the water picks up
the dirt and leaves it on the
sides. It is clear and you can see
the bottom. It's a place where
they mine diamonds.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Let's say...
F: About mbushi.
T: Mbuji-Mayi.
F: What does mbuji mean?
T: Mbuji? It's that goat of ours,
chèvre [in French].
F: I see.
T: Yes, it's the goat.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: And mayi, that's water.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Yes. But if it would be in
French, bouche, then it would by
"mouth water." The whites used to
call it embouchure, river mouth.
F: I see.
T: "At the mouth of the river."
Nowadays the people say
Mbuji-Mayi.
F: Mayi.
T: Mm-hmm.
F: So, about this...
T: Tshinyama.
F: Tshinyama.
T: Mm-hmm.
F: Now you put [an inscription on
the painting saying] "Coup d'état"
and between coup and d'état you
inserted this victory sign [a
large V]
T: Alright.
F: And with...
T: It is to say that the coup
d'état was the end.
F: Yes.
T: The end of the kingdom, that
kingdom of Kalonji's, right?
F: Mm-hmm.
T: He had this lion [painted
between the legs of the V]. It was
understood that this marked his
rulership.
F: A lion.
T: Simba. 20 Later he had the
leopard, inside his victory-sign.
He had this put onto his postage
stamps. He took a the head of a
lion, or rather leopard and put it
there, just they way I painted it.
F: So, how many months did his
kingdom last?
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