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<strong>APS</strong> - <strong>The</strong> <strong>History</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>Zaire</strong> <strong>by</strong> <strong>Tshibumba</strong> <strong>Kanda</strong> <strong>Matulu</strong> - Third Sessio... file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/USER/Mes%20documents/...<br />
F: mapublicités ...?... mu stade/<br />
T: mm/<br />
F: mm/ sasa minaona ile: nani: ko:<br />
T: bon/<br />
F: fia yabo/<br />
T: c'est ça/<br />
F: inaachana/<br />
T: ii ni: justice militaire/<br />
F: justice militaire/<br />
T: eeh/ bale ni baPM/ Police<br />
Militaire/<br />
F: haba?<br />
T: hapana: bale uliona kule/<br />
.../...ya mwisho/<br />
F: ah bale bale: tuliona ku Lodja:<br />
T: ni PM/<br />
F: PM/<br />
T: bon:<br />
F: Police Militaire/<br />
T: sasa hii: ni justice militaire/<br />
F: na nani: na k<strong>of</strong>ia yabo:<br />
T: na k<strong>of</strong>ia yabo/<br />
F: inaachana/<br />
T: inaachana/<br />
F: eyo/<br />
T: eheh/<br />
F: mm/ sasa tu bakukre:<br />
répresenter devant le peuple: sawa<br />
vile unasema:<br />
T: bon/ ilikuwa sawa vile mbele ya<br />
bapeuple: mais sawa nikukuambia<br />
kama ni mambo ya bakubwa<br />
ilipitaka/ na shee bengine<br />
tunafahamu vile ilipitaka/ mais:<br />
ni nambo ya bakubwa/ niliisha<br />
kuelezea lakini/ mm/ ni mambo<br />
mingi ilipitaka kule/ c'est<br />
kulikuwa bakubwa mingi kule/<br />
F: ku stade?<br />
T: ku stade eeh/<br />
4.<br />
F: tena: calvaire d'Afrique/<br />
[Painting 67a and b: African<br />
Calvary] tuko na mbili/<br />
T: calvaire d'Afrique: muko na<br />
mbili: ya rangi ya kuachana/<br />
F: eh/<br />
T: en couleur: na yashipo en<br />
couleur/ iko sawa foto anabeba<br />
madame: madame Fabian alinikamata:<br />
F: mm/<br />
International Sea Agents, Gallic,<br />
Coca Cola -- these are commercial<br />
signs.<br />
F: So there were commercial sign<br />
in the stadium?<br />
T: Mm-hmm.<br />
F: Mm-hmm. Now I see -- what do<br />
you call them? -- hel...<br />
T: Right...<br />
F: <strong>The</strong>ir helmets.<br />
T: That's right.<br />
F: <strong>The</strong>y are different.<br />
T: <strong>The</strong>se belong to the Justice<br />
Militaire.<br />
F: Justice Militaire.<br />
T: Yes, those others were PM,<br />
military police.<br />
F: <strong>The</strong>se here?<br />
T: No, the ones you saw on the<br />
last painting.<br />
F: Ah, the ones we saw in Lodja.<br />
T: <strong>The</strong>y were PM.<br />
F: PM.<br />
T: Right.<br />
F: Police Militaire.<br />
T: <strong>The</strong> ones [you see here] are<br />
Justice Militaire.<br />
F: And their helmets...<br />
T: <strong>The</strong>ir helmets...<br />
F: Are different.<br />
T: Are different.<br />
F: I see.<br />
T: Yes.<br />
F: Mm-hmm. So Lumumba is being<br />
presented to the people, as you<br />
said.<br />
T: Right. It happened before the<br />
people but, as I told you, what<br />
happened there is the big shots'<br />
affair. Some among us know what<br />
happened but it's something that<br />
concerns the big shot. Lots <strong>of</strong><br />
things happened there, because<br />
many big shots where there in the<br />
stadium.<br />
F: In the stadium?<br />
T: In the stadium, yes.<br />
4.<br />
F: <strong>The</strong>n comes African Calvary<br />
[Painting 67a and b: African<br />
Calvary]. We have two versions.<br />
T: You have two [paintings <strong>of</strong>]<br />
African Calvary. <strong>The</strong> difference is<br />
the color.<br />
F: Yes.<br />
T: One in color, the other not.<br />
This is like the photographs Mrs.<br />
Fabian took <strong>of</strong> me.<br />
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