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nayee: ana: chef de l'état/
F: oui/
T: mais suivant constitution:
premier ministre akuwa na kintu ya
kusema hapana/ balifwata mambo ya
chef de l'état/
F: aah/
T: mm/
F: maneno sasa tuko na version
ingine: [Painting 64b]
T: ah bon/
F: mufano ingine ya ii tableau/
T: ni paka namna moja tu/
F: [chuckles] conflit/
T: ata inaachana: mais namna moja:
ni paka:
F: ma:
T: conflit tu/
F: nani: minaona: Lumumba anav:
vwala costume ingine:
T: costume: c'est que ii ni: non
en couleur/
F: mm/
T: ile ilikuya en couleur/
F: juu ya non en couleur:
haukukuwa na couleur?
T: c'est que: non non/ naliweza tu
kufanya vile: kwa kusema
nitengeneze: mawazo ingine/
F: mawazo gani?
T: ni kusema nitengeneze tu/
F: aah/
T: sawa minafanyaka couleur ingine
ya kuachana: ingine couleur
ingine: yashipo: ya kuachana
tuseme vile/ ...?...
F: ah alafu ile: ile nyota alikuwa
naye/ hapa [point to medal worn by
Lumumba]/
T: nyota? nyota sawa vile alikuwa
na drapeau six étoiles: na mi
nazania mi niliweza kuweza
nalikuweka ile mawazo juu ya
kutengeneza tableau/
F: ilikuwa sawa décoration ao?
T: sawa décoration mm/
F: mm/ na hapa tunaona Abako:
T: tena peko Abako: PNP:
F: PSA:
T: PSA: parti solidaire Africain:
ilikuwa ya Gizenga:
F: aah/
T: ahah/
F: na CRA?
T: na CRA: ilikuwa kama ya
F: hii....?...
T: Kamitatu:
F: Cartel/
that Kasavubu was no longer head
of state.
F: I see.
T: But, according to the
constitution, the prime minister
had no power whatsoever to make
such an announcement. So they
sided with the head of state.
F: I see.
T: Mm-hmm.
F: Now we have another version of
this painting here [Painting 64b].
T: Ah, yes.
F: Another version of that
painting.
T: It's just the same.
F: [chuckles] Conflict.
T: Although it is different, it
has the same subjec
T: the conflict.
F: The matter of the...
T: Just the conflict.
F: I see that Lumumba now wears a
different suit.
T: The suit -- that's because it
is not in color. painting was.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: [In the other painting] it was
in color.
F: About this one not being in
color -- had you run out of
colors?
T: No, no, I could have done it in
color. I just wanted to work out a
different idea.
F: What kind of idea?
T: Let's say, I wanted to paint it
that way.
F: I see.
T: I used colors in the other one
in order to make it different. One
in color, the other not. Let's say
[it was] to make them different.
F: I see. But this star [Lumumba]
is wearing [on his suit] here.
T: The star? The star is the same
that appeared on the six-starred
flag. I thought I could put it
here to express the idea [behind
it], to compose 3 the painting.
F: So it was a kind of decorative
element?
T: A decorative element, mm-hmm.
F: Mm-hmm. And here we see Abako.
T: There is Abako and also PNP...
F: PSA...
T: PSA, parti solidaire Africain.
That was Gizenga's [faction].
F: I see.
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