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F: bon/
T: mm/
F: eh/ tulisema tena: mauniformes:
ya ma: na ile foulard rouge:
ilikuwa tu ya baKangais ...?...
T: ilikuwa baKatangais: na ile
tenue: ni ya bapoliciers/
F: bapoliciers/
T: eeh/
F: na ile motokari inachoma:
T: ni tembo: ni tembo/ sawa vile
ilikuwa murefu eh?
F: oui/
T: apa njo ilikuwa ntundu yulu/
F: na tundu yulu:
T: sasa kama inapita: tunasema
tembo/
F: tembo [chuckles]/
T: ilitoka tangu: ni ilikuwa ya
baBelges: baliacha eh?
F: baBelges baliacha?
T: ya temps colonial ya:
F: eyo/
T: njo baliachaka/ siku ya le
trente juin: ni ile njo
ilitembeaka/
F: ahah/
T: eeh/
8.
F: donc septante: septante:
[Painting 71: The Monster of the
Secession] sawa ni: tulisimama mu
septante: non: mu soixante neuf:
sasa septante ile mammouth/ ile:
T: mammouth eh:
F: baliyenga mu: Comekat?
T: mu Comekat ya Likasi:
F: ...?...
T: sawa vile nilikuambia kama
uneanda njia ya L: ya Kolwezi: uku
ngambo: utaona ile: atélier
tuseme/
F: mm/
T: aah/
F: mammouth/ iliandikwa juu: wee
uli: uliisha kuona na mecho yako?
T: ile mammouth?
F: ah/
T: mi nilikwendaka kuona pale beko
nayenga/ sawa b: sawa vile: baba
alikuwa mu Likasi: mu Likasi
mulikuwa vita kidogo/
F: mm/
T: tunaanzaka kutembea/
F: Alright.
T: Mm-hmm.
F: Well, then we said about the
uniforms, those with the red
scarf, they belonged to the
Katangese, right?
T: They were Katangese, and it was
the uniform of the police.
F: The police.
T: Yes.
F: And what about that vehicle
there which is burning?
T: That was tembo, the elephant.
Because it was big, right?
F: Yes.
T: And it had this nozzle up
there.
F: A nozzle up there.
T: We used to call it tembo
whenever it came by.
F: Elephant [chuckles].
T: It went back to the time of the
Belgians, they left is, right?
F: The Belgian left it?
T: [It was left] from colonial
times.
F: I see.
T: They had left it behind. It
used to be driven around on June
30, Independence day.
F: Aha.
T: Yes.
8.
F: So this is [number] seventy
[Painting 71: The Monster of the
Secession. We stopped at number
seventy, no, sixty-nine; so this
is seventy [showing] this mammoth.
T: The mammoth, yes.
F: Was it at Comekat where they
built it?
T: At Comekat in Likasi.
F: ...?...
T: As I told you when you take the
road to Kolwezi, you will see the
workshop.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Yes.
F: Mammoth, it's written on it.
Did you see it with your own eyes?
T: The mammoth?
F: Yes.
T: I used to go to the place were
they were building it and watch.
My father worked in Likasi. There
was not much fighting in Likasi.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: So we would roam the town.
F: Mm-hmm.
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