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F: na bo balikuwa tena na ma:
étoiles?
T: bo banakuwa na drapeau ya
étoile/ vile banaanza kufia bo:
banaanzaka kufia paka ile mambo
moya unité/ c'est que sasa:
bapoliticiens bote balikuwa mu
Zaire: mbele ya kufanya politique:
banafika paka asema ooh: mambo ya
Lumumba njo ilikuwa bien/ puisque
alikuwa: bien aimé/
F: mm/
T: alipendewa ku bantu bote/
F: mm/
T: ni vile banaanza kufunga batu:
kunywisha essence: unakunywa
essence: et puis asema fungula
kinywa: kamata alumette kuwakisha:
allez: unapasuka/ [voice trailing
off] ...?...
F: sawa vile walifanya kule?
T: mm/
F: bazungu ao ba: nani?
T: na bazungu: na batu: surtout
batu njo waliwawa mingi/
F: mm/ banani? baMulele?
T: baMulele/ non: balikuwa ba:
aikukuwa Mulelistes apana/
balikuwa baNguebe: Soumialot: na
eh: na ungine minasahabu jina
yake/ mm/ njo banaanza ku: kuua
batu/ sababu Nguebe kama njo
alikuwa général mi shijue muzuri/
F: mm/ Nguebe/
T: Nguebe/
23.
F: kumbe vile tunafika: mu: vingt
quatre novembre/ [Painting 85:
November 24: Mobutu and Party
Symbols].
T: bon/
F: quatre vingt quatre: quatre
vingt quatre: tunaona Mobutu:
T: bon/ njo ile siku: ii tableau
nilifanyaka na: ts: na couleur
moya mubayambaya eh? kama una:
kama unapanguza na mafuta: ça va/
F: ndiyo/
T: bon/ ilikuya: njo siku le vingt
quatre novembre ilikuwa sawa
naissance: ya: Sese Seko eh?
F: mm/
T: ya muntu moja Mungu alitutumia
she bote tu/ ni vile bantu: shee
tunaanza kuespérer asema: ii mwaka
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Yes.
F: And there they still had the
six-star flag?
T: They did and they died for the
sake of unity. Because at that
time, before each of them went
after his own political interests,
the politicians of Zaire would all
agree that Lumumba's program was a
good one. He was well liked.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: All the people loved him.
F: Mm-hmm.
F: So they began to tie up people
and make them drink gasoline. You
would drink gasoline and then be
told to open your mouth. Someone
would take a match, light it and
-- just like that -- you would be
blown to pieces. [voice trailing
off}...?... What they did there,
was it aimed at the Whites, or who
were the people thy killed?
F: Is that what they did there?
T: Mm-hmm.
F: To the whites, of to whom?
T: To the whites and to the
people. Above all, they killed
many Africans.
F: Mm-hmm. Who, the Mulelists?
T:: No, not the Mulelists. Those
were the followers of Nguebe,
Soumialot, and others whose names
I forgot; they killed the people.
Because Nguebe was some kind of
general, but I am not quite sure.
F: Mm-hmm, Nguebe.
T: Nguebe.
23.
F: So, now we come to "November
24" [Painting 85: November 24:
Mobutu and Party Symbols].
T: Right.
F: Eighty-four, eighty-four. We
see Mobutu.
T: Right, That's the day --
[interrupts himself] I painted
this picture with very bad colors;
if you wipe it off with oil, it
will be alright.
F: Yes.
T: Fine, the day of November 24
marked, as it were, the birth of
[Mobutu] Sese Seko...
F: Mm-hmm.
T: ... a person God sent to all of
us. That is what we, the people,
began to hope for. [As things
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