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T: kule kumubamba kule?
F: mm/
T: nazania: kufwata vile balisema:
ilikuya colonel Tshatshi: njo ali:
balitumaka kwenda kumubamba kule/
sawa vile ilikuwa mission/ hawezi
nakatala/ hatuwezi: paka kutoka
kwenda/
F: mission/ ya:
T: sa: ili: balimu: commissioner/
sawa vile ata wee nduku yako: hata
o: kama uko militaire: banakutuma
kwenda bamba baba yako: utabamba/
F: mm/
T: mm/
3.
F: arrestation à Lodja: sasa tuko
tunafika mu soixante: tableau
soixante cinq: [Painting 66:
Lumumba Is Brought before the
People] tunaona: [reading from
painting] Lumumba devant le peuple
au stade ex-Baudoin premier/
T: bon/
F: ni kuisha: kish: nani: kiisha
ku: kumubamba/
T: c'est ça/ kisha kumubamba ku
Lodja/
F: mm/
T: balimuleta sasa: ku Kinshasa/
sawa vile nalikuambia kama mambo
ilipitaka kule: ni mambo ya
bakubwa/ eeh?
F: mm/
T: ni kweli Lumumba alifungwa sawa
na ii nkamba ile: chemise: koti
ile baliisha kutosha: anabakia na
chemise: anatosha chemise ndani ya
pantalon: anababakia tu:
F: juu ya nini?
T: wazi/ kutosha chemise ndani ya
pantalon?
F: ...?...
T: ni bule tu/
F: mm/
T: sawa hivi kama uko ni kufungwa:
utaweza kutosha bilatu: na ...?...
mikulu bule: na: ile: na bale
bamilitaires banashimama:
ba...?... bunduki ku mikono: na ku
mukongo: ile ni: tribune: ku
mukongo kuko batu/
F: mm/
T: aah/
F: na hapa tunaona: mapublicités/
T: Belga: Martini: AMI: Agence
Maritime Internationale: Gallic:
Coca Cola: ni: mapublicités/
T: I think -- and here I follow
what was being talked about -- it
was Colonel Tshatshi. He was sent
to arrest Lumumba there. It was
like a mission and he could not
refuse to go. You cannot refuse,
you just take off and go there.
F: What kind of mission was this?
T: He had orders. If you are a
military man and they give you an
order to arrest a relative, even
your own father, you'll do it.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Mm-hmm.
3.
F: [So that was] arrest at Lodja,
now we come to painting sixty-five
[Painting 66: Lumumba Is Brought
before the People]. We see
[reading from painting] Lumumba
before the people in the former
Baudouin I stadium.
T: Alright.
F: This is after he was arrested.
T: That's right, after he was
arrested in Lodja.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: So after arresting him at Lodja
they brought Lumumba to Kinshasa.
But as I told you before, what
happened there is one of those
things that concern the big shots,
right?
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Fact is, that Lumumba was tied
with a rope. They had taken off
his coat and his shirt was hanging
out of his pants. That is how he
was standing [there]...
F: Why that?
T: For everyone to see. Why they
pulled the shirt from his pants?
F: ...?...
T: It was just one of those
things.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: If you are locked up you will
have to take off your shoes and go
barefoot. At any rate, there are
soldiers standing next to him,
guns in their hands, and behind
them there is the grand stand
where the people are.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Yes.
F: And here we see commercial
signs.
T: Belga, Martini, AMI,
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