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mule ba: banani: basoldats bote
kukimbia: na mvita: inamalizika/
F: njo mwisho ya mvi: ya vita?
T: mvita ya: Katanga/ ni
ilimalizika/
F: c'est vrai?
T: eeh/
13.
F: mais [pulling out Painting 76:
The Building of the Town of
Mbuji-Mayi]: [aside] acha tu:
nani: tupindule mbele... [changing
tape]
T: ...natosha tableau muzuri:
[rummage]
F: très bien/ ah m: sasa: sawa:
tuliisha kusumbulia juu ya
mumbunda na mampala:
T: bon: tunasumbulia yee ...?...
F: mais: niko na kintu ya
kukuuliza/
T: ah/
F: ni ile tableau bantu banaombaka
tu? sawa vile wee unafanya série
moya munene: munene sana: mais
zaidi: mbele ya kwanza na hii
série: ilikuwa tu wa: tableau kama
ni tatu: ao inne/
T: bon/
F: bantu bana: uzaka/
T: banauzaka zaidi/ eeh/ sasa ku
ile tableaux ingine nakuletea:
F: mm/
T: ile njo mawazo yangu/ mais kama
l'état alitua: alituachia liberté:
tunaenea kutumikayo tena nazani
bantu balitafuta kuuza mingi/ bon:
sawa hivi: tu: tuna ngopa kwa batu
bengine eh? kama unatosha atasema
ooh: una: leta mambo ya zamani/
mais sawa vile nalikuambia kama:
banduku yetu banauzaka matableau:
juu ya: kuweka mu nyumba kufurahi
macou: macouleurs/ sawa hivi
naweka/
T: They were Canberra fighters.
F: Canberra?
T: Canberra.
F: Did the Canberra belong to the
United nations?
T: They belonged to the United
Nations, Katanga had the Fouga
Magister.
F: Of Katanga.
F: So those Canberras attacked the
Union Minière?.
T: The Union Minière, there was
fighting, bombs were dropped, all
the soldiers who were inside ran
away, and that was the end of the
war.
F: That was the end of the war?
T: The war of Katanga was
finished.
F: Is that true?
T: Yes.
13.
F; But [pulling out Painting 76:
The Building of the Town of
Mbuji-Mayi]. Wait, lets turn the
tape first.
T: I came up with a good picture.
F: Very well. So, now [we can go
on]. We finished talking about the
smoke stack and the slag heap.
T: Alright, we talked about...
F: But I want to ask you
something.
T: Ah.
F: Is this [the smoke stack] one
of the paintings people usually
ask for? You painted a very long
series, but before you started on
that series, was it not above all
three or four pictures...
T: Alright.
F: ...people usually bought?
T: They mostly bought [those],
yes. But as to these other
pictures I brought you ...
F: Mm-hmm.
T: ...they were my idea. But if
the state would give us the
freedom to work, I think people
would seek to buy many [pictures].
Alright, as things are, we are
afraid of certain people, right?
When you come up [with one of
them, someone] will say: "Oh, you
are bringing old stuff." But it is
as I told you, our brothers buy
paintings to put hang them at home
and to enjoy the colors, for
instance, as I put them here [in
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