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Congolais ya Brazza:
F: mm/
T: ataweza kuwa mercenaire mu
Zaire/ hata mi hapa: bon: kama:
kama muntu ananiuza:
F: mm/
T: bon: nitaweza kwenda kukombana:
niko mercenaire/
F: mm/
T: ah: mercenaire ya kusema ni
Belge ou bien: nani: kabila yote/
F: eyo/
T: eeh/
F: banavwala mauniformes yabo/
T: mm/
F: ...?... ts tst [sigh, trail
off] mambo ya: ile ilikuwa mu
mwaka gani?
T: eh: i: ya bamercenaires? non/
F: ya Bukavu/
T: mercenaires ya Bukavu ilikuwa
soixante: soixante s: puisque:
Zaire: monnaie ya Zaire ilitoka mu
soixante sept eh? c'est que
ilikuwa mu soixante sept vilevile/
F: mu soixante sept/
T: mu soixante sept/
27.
F: quatre vingt huit: tunaona:
muzungu ingine: Jean/ [Painting
89: Jean Schramme Flees]
T: Jean/ mais: sababu shkram kama
ni: ni jina ile: me shiyue kuita
muzuri kwa lakini/
F: Schramme/
T: skram eh?
F: eeh/
T: ah voilà:
F: njo jina yake/
T: njo yee: sasa ni Jean:
F: Jean:
T: alikimbia mu Rwanda sasa wakati
njo ...?....
F: balikimbia mu nani: mu char ao?
T: ni mu char eeh/
F: mm/
T: eeh/ ilikuwa ya ba: ANC: sawa
bali...?... vingine/
F: bilikuwa kati ya bilima ao?
T: ilikuwa kati ya bilima/ ni
njia/
F: mm/
T: ni njia inatoka: ah: iko napita
mule/
F: mm/ Schramme/
T: anakimbilia kule sasa: anaacha:
mu Zaire: ile drapeau ni ya mu
Congo-Brazzaville...
F: Mm-hmm.
T: ... could also be a mercenary
in Zaire. Even I, if someone buys
me ...
F: Mm-hmm.
T: ... I can go and fight as a
mercenary.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: You cannot say that the typical
mercenary was Belgian, they came
from all nationalities.
F: I see.
T: Yes.
F: They wear their uniforms.
T: Mm-hmm.
F: [Sigh, trailing off] Oh, well,
all these things -- what year was
this?
T: You don't mean the mercenaries
[in general].
F: [The attack on] Bukavu.
T: The mercenaries in Bukavu, that
was in '60. '60 -- the year when
the Zaire currency was introduced
was '67. So then it was in 1967.
F: In '67.
T: In '67.
27.
F: Eighty-eight, we see another
white man, Jean [Painting 89: Jean
Schramme Flees]
T: Jean Skram or something like
that. I don't know how to
pronounce his name.
F: Schramme.
T: Skram, right?
F: Yes.
T: So, there you are.
F: That's his name.
T: For the moment, he'll be Jean.
F: Jean.
T: He fled to Rwanda at the
time...
F: What is this vehicle they were
fleeing in, a tank?
T: Yes, a tank.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Yes, from the Congolese
National Army.
F: Was this in the mountains?
T: It was a road through the
mountains.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: It's a road that comes out
there and goes on.
F: Mm-hmm. Schramme.
T: He ran away and escaped from
Zaire. That flag over there is in
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