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F: baLuba Kasai?
T: eeh/
F: na ...?....
T: na ba: na ba gendarmes ya
Kalonji/
F: mm/
T: c'est que: sawa balikosanaka:
bo balisema shee tukamate: ii
Mwene Ditu: na Ngandajika: njo
kipande yabo eh? Mwene Ditu
Ngandajika:
F: mm/
T: na Luputa:
F: mm/
T: iko bulongo ya Kanioka/
F: eyo/
T: bon: bo balisema tukamate hii:
tu: tuweke iko province ya Midi/
bana?ita asema: province: Midi/
F: mm/
T: c'est que ni province moya
itaungana na Shaba/
F: oui mais: maneno mbali kule
minaona drapeau ya Shaba/
T: drapeau: bo balipandisha na
drapeau yabo asema shee tuko paka
bantu ya Shaba/
F: aah/
T: njo tunatafuta kwenda kule/
F: ilikuwa mu place: mbele ya
gare:
T: ilikuwa mbele ya gare:
F: na magazins/
T: mbele ya magazins/
F: [reading] Soriano Rossi/
T: ah Rossi: na:
F: ni magazin ya kweli kule?
T: ah kuko: ma: magazin ya kweli/
F: Savros/
T: Savros/ à Luputa: kuko pa: kama
unafika mbele tu: kama unachuka
gare ya Luputa:
F: eeh/
T: utashimama: utaona: na ile
magazin ...?... c'est que apa
[points]: ii partie peko poste/
F: mm/
T: uku mbele njo kuko gare/ na ii
njia ni kweli inakwenda ku:
Ngandazika [sic]/ ile inakwenda
Mwene Ditu/
F: na tena minaona ma: baKaniok
banavwala sawa ...?...
T: guerriers:
F: ba:
T: c'est que bo balianza kuvwala
hata makati ingine: njo vile nabo
beko/
T: No, with the Luba-Kasai.
F: With the Luba-Kasai?
T: Yes.
F: And...
T: And with Kalonji's gendarmes.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: What went wrong between them
was this. They said: "We are going
to take Mwene Ditu, Ngandajika."
[Those are places] are on Kanioka
soil, Mwene Ditu, Ngandajika...
F: Mm-hmm.
T: And Luputa.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: This is Kanioka country.
F: I see.
T: Fine, so they said: "We will
take this [country] and make it
the Southern Province." They
called it "Southern Province."
F: Mm-hmm.
T: And that province would be
annexed to Shaba.
F: Right, because there in the
background I can see the Shaba
flag.
T: They raised this flag, saying:
We are Shaba people.
F: I see.
T: That is were we want to go.
F: [So the picture show]s the
square in front of the railway
station.
T: It was in front of the railway
station...
F: And of some shops...
T: ...and in front of some shops.
F: [reading] Soriano Rossi.
T: Yes, Rossi and...
F: Is that a real shop there?
T: Yes those are real shops.
F: Savros.
T: Savros. In Luputa, when you get
there and get off the train at
Luputa station...
F: I see.
T: ...when stop and look around,
you will see those
shops..?...whereas [pointing]
here, on this side, there is the
post office.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: This here is in front of the
station and these roads really run
that way, one to Ngandajika, the
other to Mwene Ditu/
F: I also notice that the Kanioka
are dressed like...
T: ...like warriors.
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