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T: ya foto yake/
F: aah/
T: ile alisemaka yee/
F: héros national/
T: sawa ile maavions: ni karibu:
F: mm/
T: ni karibu na kiwanza: avion iko
inachuka/
F: mm: ni kuonyesha ...?... karibu
na kiwanza/
26.
[rummaging, aside] ...?... fasi
ingine: ndiyo/ eeh: kiisha:
mercenaires à Bukavu: quatre vingt
sept: quatre vingt sept: [Painting
88: The Mercenaries Landing at
Bukavu] na bale para banashuka:
T: baparas banashuka bushiku:
banashuka mugini ya Bukavu: na
vile ...?...
F: uliisha kuona kama sawa vile
ba: ba: baparas banatoka mule/
T: aah niliisha kuona/
F: ndiyo?
T: na sawa vile nilikuwa pa
Kamina: balianza kufanya
maexercises ile kila mara/
F: eeh/
T: beko nakuya banabatupa: naliona
bengine baspécialistes banasema
baspécialistes: quatre/
banabatupa: banawakisha moto
chini/
F: mm/
T: bo banaweka shmoko iko inatoka
kidogo lwa tunkuni/ banabatupa
yulu: kuliko bale bengine/
F: mm/
T: bale banachuka: banakuwa bote
quatre: fasi moja: banachukiaka/
naliona [claps]/ mm/
F: [reading on one of the houses]
avenue Kongolo/
T: avenue Kongolo/
F: mu Bukavu?
T: mu Bukavu mm/
F: nabo banau: banaua tu:
bamercenaires:
T: banaua batu: banapita:
F: beko na mansula ya: na ya
baBelges ao?...?...
T: non/ mais bamercenaires ni
kabila yote bataweza kuuza/ même:
même Zairois/ ataweza kuwa paka
mercenaire: mu Zaire/
F: c'est vrai?
T: eeh/ ni vile eh? mm/ muntu
T: ... of his image.
F: Yes.
T: Lumumba himself said this.
F: The National Hero.
T: And those planes are to show,
nearby there is....
F: Mm-hmm.
T: ... there is the airport. One
plane is about to land.
F: Mm-hmm. It is to show that [the
house] is near the airport.
26.
[rummaging, aside]....getting to
another place. Yes, here it is
finally, mercenaries at Bukavu,
eighty-seven [Painting 88: The
Mercenaries Landing at Bukavu]. So
the paratroopers are landing.
T: The paras landed at night in
Bukavu...
F: Have you ever seen this,
paratroopers jumping from a plane?
T: Oh, I've seen it.
F: Really?
T: Because I used to live in
Kamina where they had their
exercises all the time.
F: I see.
T: They would be dropped. And I
saw others that were called
specialists. They would be dropped
in teams of four to light a fire
on the ground.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: They would set a fire with
branches and smoke would rise.
Then [more] would be dropped and
come down to join the others.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Those who jumped were four and
they landed in one place. I saw
it, mm-hmm.
F: [reading on one of the houses]
Avenue Kongolo.
T: Avenue Kongolo.
F: In Bukavu?
T: In Bukavu, mm-hmm.
F: And the mercenaries are
killing...
T: They kill people who pass by.
F: They have faces like Belgians,
or?
T: No, the mercenaries would come
from wherever they could buy them,
even a Zairian could be a
mercenary in Zaire.
F: Is that true?
T: Yes, that's how it is, right? A
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