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mwenye kuzala: banasema: bakia
naye: akuwe bibi yako/ fanya vile
unatufanya/ kama unatafuta kuua/
ata kiisha kufanya: tena banakuua/
ilikuwa mubaya/
F: c'est vrai?
T: ahah: ilikuwa mu massacre moya
[rummages]: ? neno ya kuwazamo/
10.
F: tena: tunaona: mu septante
deux: numéro septante deux:
[Painting 73: The Death of Dag
Hammarskjöld]
T: mm/
F: kufa ya: Hammarskjöld/
T: c'est ça/
F: kule ?naona Panam: mu USA:
T: bon:
F: kuko avion ya:
T: kuko avion ya USA: sawa vile
minasema USA.: Etats Unis
d'Amérique:
F: mm/
T: na drapeau ya l'ONU: c'est que
ilitoka: ni mu Amérique/
F: njo drapeau yake ya ON:
T: ya Amérique: ya: non: ya l'ONU/
F: ya l'ONU/
T: ah ya l'ONU/ ilitoka ni mu
Amérique: sawa vile ilikuwa
kufika: alifia asema nikichuke mu:
Zambie/
F: mm/
T: aina ku pori: ya umu apana/
ilif: asema: ikafika mu Zambie:
kisha: apate mukuya kuingia huku/
sasa kufika ile kipande: iliwaka
moto: na: alikufa/ ile ma:
magambera:
F: na hélicopter? gambera? njo
gambera?
T: gambera: ilikuwa kunatembea
juu: njo kwa kuchunga pa ile fasi:
et puis hélicopter nayo: ilikuwa
kuchuka kuleta kama ni m: ba: pom:
bapo: ni banani bale banaitaka?
bapompiers/
F: mm/
T: eeh? nazania njo ...?...
F: mais: Hammarskjöld ni muntu
gani? un: a: alitoka wapi?
T: Dag Hammarskjöld?
F: mm/
T: mais minaz: sijue kabila yake/
would get you outside the house.
If you were a grown-up and living
with your own mother they would
say: "Stay with her, she should be
your wife. Do to her what you did
to us, 11 when you were out to
kill." And then, after you had
done it, they still killed you. It
was bad.
F: Is that true?
T: It is. It was some massacre,
something to think about.
10.
F: Then we see in [painting]
seventy-two, number
seventy-two...[Painting 73: The
Death of Dag Hammarskjöld]
T: Mm-hmm.
F: Hammarskjöld's death.
T: That's it.
F: [On the plane] I see written
USA PANAM.
T: Fine.
F: So this was plane of...
T: It was an American plane.
That's why I say USA, United
States of America.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: And the United Nations emblem.
This is to say that it came from
America.
F: So that is the emblem of the
UN.
T: Of America, no, of the UN.
F: Of the UN.
T: Yes, of the UN. [The plane]
took off in America and when it
came close to its destination, the
plane broke down, so the pilot
wanted to set it down in Zambia.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Not in the bush on this side of
the border. It got to Zambia and
then it was not allowed to enter
[the Congo]. Now, when it got
there, it was in flames and
crashed. And there are Canberra
fighters.
F: And helicopters? Canberra? Are
these Canberras?
T: Canberras were patrolling above
the site and then there arrived
helicopters to bring -- how are
they called? -- rescue workers
[lit. firemen].
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Right? I think it is.... 12
F: But what kind of person was
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