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ministre résident:
F: mm/
T: humu mu Shaba/ mais sasa bo
balisirikaka asema sawa shee
tulikufa mingi: wee unakwenda
kusumbulia na bale batu: njo
balimuua/ njo vile ilikuya/
bengine banasema ni barebelles/
mais normalment ilikuwa paka
baLuba njo balimuua ...?.../
F: mm/
T: ata vile chef Kabongo/ balimuua
kuko baBaluba ...?.../
F: jina yake ni Janson/
T: Janson Sendwe/
F: ulimufahamu?
T: ah na: mi nalimuonaka na
kumuona/ aah/ alikuwa mu Likasi:
mu soixante: deux: banamubeba mu
kipoyo humu/ eko nalamukia batu/
F: mm/
T: shee tulikwendaka kule: mvula
ilipikaka ile siku kidogo:
tulikuwa mingi sana/
tunamuongojea: akukutokeaka ku:
entrée ya ville/ mais alitokeaka:
ku mwisho ya ville/ atujue mufano
...?...
F: ngambo ya Kolwezi?
T: non: ngambo ya: Kambove/
F: ya Kambove?
T: njo kule alitokeaka/ shee bote
...?tafukuza mbio: tunakwenda
tunamulamukia:
F: mm/
T: na salut ya kama ni kufa/ kisha
paka pale: njo naanza kumuona paka
ku mafoto tu/
F: eyo/
T: mm/
F: unajua alito: ni muntu wa: wa:
wa:
T: yee: Sendwe?
F: wa baLuba?
T: mm/ ni muntu ya baLuba/ baLuba
ya Kabongo/
F: mm/
T: mm/ njo kwabo/ ni muLuba ya
Kabongo/ karibu na: frontière ya
Kasai/ njo kwabo tu/
F: mm/ bon: nazani ngambo moya
[looking at tape]: bado/ paka
karibu
12.
hapa tunaona mumbunda na mampala/
[Painting 75: Planes Attacking the
Lubumbashi Smelter] [chuckles]
T: mumbunda ya Gécamines/
F: mm/ mumbunda ya Gécamines/
T: ...here in Shaba. But then
people got angry: "Many of us are
dying, you go and talk to those
people." Then they killed him.
This is what happened. Some say it
was the rebels but it had to be
the Luba themselves who killed
him...
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Even chief Kabongo, it's the
Luba who killed him.
F: [Sendwe's first] name was
Janson.
T: Janson Sendwe.
F: Did you know him?
T: Just by sight. In '62, he was
in Likasi. They carried him around
in a tipoy chair and he waved to
the people.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: We went there. It was raining a
little that day, and there were
many of us. We were waiting until
he finally appeared at the edge of
town. We didn't know what he
looked like.
F: Coming from Kolwezi?
T: No, from Kambove.
F: From Kambove?
T: That's where he came from. All
of us were chased away at once. We
had come to greet him. 13
F: Mm-hmm.
T: It was to be a terrific
greeting [lit. a greeting as if to
die]. After that I saw him only on
photographs.
F: I see.
T: Mm-hmm.
F: Do you know where he came from?
T: He, Sendwe?
F: From the Luba?
T: Mm-hmm. He was a Luba of
Kabongo.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Mm-hmm. That's where they live.
He was a Luba from Kabongo, close
to the Kasai border, that's their
place.
F: Mm-hmm. [Looking at tape] I
think one side [is full]. No, not
yet, but it is getting close.
12.
Here we see the smoke stack and
the slag heap [Painting 75: Planes
Attacking the Lubumbashi Smelter]
[chuckles]
T: The smoke stack of Gécamines.
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