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<strong>APS</strong> - <strong>The</strong> <strong>History</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>Zaire</strong> <strong>by</strong> <strong>Tshibumba</strong> <strong>Kanda</strong> <strong>Matulu</strong> - Third Sessio... file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/USER/Mes%20documents/...<br />
F: c'est vrai?<br />
T: alikamata na foto: kwa mukubwa/<br />
F: eyo/<br />
T: sasa pale nalikuwa Kamina:<br />
nilianza kuuza: mingi: tusumbulia<br />
mbele inyewe: nitasumbulia ile eh?<br />
F: aah/<br />
T: mm/<br />
F: na eko na nani: na:<br />
T: na munyololo/<br />
F: munyololo/<br />
T: eeh/ njo kusema chaîne/<br />
F: oui oui/<br />
T: eeh/<br />
F: munyololo la chaîne: et puis:<br />
ile ile nini:<br />
T: ile muti: na kanyumba yake ku<br />
kichwa/<br />
F: kanyumba yake: kanaikala/ eyo<br />
[chuckles]/ kima/ kumbe ni kusema<br />
balikuwa tu na bintu yabo yote/<br />
T: bilikuwa bintu yote tu/<br />
F: mm/<br />
15.<br />
kiisha: eh: septante six: Kalonji<br />
Albert: [Painting 77: Kalonji,<br />
Emperor <strong>of</strong> Sout Kasai]<br />
T: bon/<br />
F: sawa nani:<br />
T: empereur/<br />
F: empereur/ minaona anavwala<br />
costume: sawa ya bazungu/<br />
T: costume: ya bazungu vile:<br />
F: mais: tena: aah: eko na shoka/<br />
T: shoka ku mukono: ku libega<br />
yake:<br />
F: ku: ku libega yake:<br />
T: mm/<br />
F: ni kusema ni: inao:<br />
inamuonyesha:<br />
T: bon/<br />
F: ni sultani/<br />
T: sawa hivi: nazania: sasa hapa<br />
Mobutu eko na ile: mukombo yake<br />
eh?<br />
F: mm/<br />
T: ni kweli: yeye nayee: alikuyaka<br />
na ile mukombo yake nayee/ alianza<br />
kutembea na banamuke: unaona ii:<br />
F: <strong>The</strong>y like to walk around with a<br />
monkey?<br />
T: Have a monkey on a leash. Even<br />
I myself have one.<br />
F: Right now?<br />
T: Yes, in Likasi. Didn't Mrs.<br />
Fabian tell you?<br />
F: Is that true?<br />
T: She even took photos at my<br />
elder brother's place.<br />
F: I see. T; Now, when I lived in<br />
Kamina I used to buy many<br />
[monkeys], .... 15<br />
F: I see.<br />
T: Mm-hmm.<br />
F: This one [in the painting] is<br />
on...<br />
T: ... a chain.<br />
F: A chain.<br />
T: Yes, it is a chaîne.<br />
F: Yes, yes.<br />
T: Right.<br />
F: Munyulolo means chaîne. And<br />
this thing, what is this?<br />
T: It's a pole, and the monkey has<br />
his little house on top.<br />
F: His little house where he<br />
lives. [chuckles] Well, well, a<br />
monkey. So it all goes to say that<br />
people had everything.<br />
T: <strong>The</strong>y had everything.<br />
F: Mm-hmm.<br />
15.<br />
<strong>The</strong> comes seventy-six, Kalonji<br />
Albert [Painting 77: Kalonji,<br />
Emperor <strong>of</strong> South Kasai].<br />
T: Fine.<br />
F: He was what?<br />
T: Emperor.<br />
F: Emperor. I see that the emperor<br />
wears a European suit.<br />
T: A European suit.<br />
F: But then he carries a hatchet.<br />
T: A hatchet in his hand, or<br />
rather on his shoulder.<br />
F: On his shoulder.<br />
T: Mm-hmm.<br />
F: So this is to show ...<br />
T: Alright.<br />
F:.. that he is the ruler.<br />
T: Well, it's like nowadays with<br />
Mobutu who carries his staff,<br />
right?<br />
F: Mm-hmm.<br />
T: Kalonj had one, too. And he<br />
used to walk around accompanied <strong>by</strong><br />
two women, you see them there?<br />
F: Mm-hmm.<br />
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