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APS - The History of Zaire by Tshibumba Kanda Matulu - Third Sessio... file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/USER/Mes%20documents/... Lubumbashi: anachuka: tunamuona/ F: eyo/ T: mm namuna ongoya tout ça/ ule muntu sikuonaka: paka nani: Lumumba/ sikumuona/ T: ... and many other songs. F: [chuckles] T: Every time he came through Likasi on his way to Lubumbashi he stopped and we saw him. F: I see. T: Mm-hmm. We had to wait for him. But one person I never saw was Lumumba. I never saw him. 20. F: kumbe vile balifanya élection: [Painting 82: The 1964 Presidential Election] T: bon: ni pa: ii ni gare ya Lubumbashi/ F: gare ya Lubumbashi minaona eh/ T: eeh/ ile ni avion: inatupa mapapiers/ mm? F: [reading letters on plane] e: ash: deux ao? T: ash deux: mais ni kufwata 6 20. F: So then they organized elections [Painting 82: The 1964 Presidential Election] T: Alright, the scene is in front of the railway station in Lubumbashi. F: Yes, I see the station in Lubumbashi. T: Yes. And this is an airplane [circling overhead and] dropping tu na leaflets. mi niliandika/ F: [reading letters on plane] "'H F: mm/ 2," right? T: sauti tu ma: tu ma: tu maavions T: H 2, but that was on the model tu aérogare: tout ça/ I used, so I wrote it, too. F: mm/ F: Mm-hmm. T: juu ya ile: ilitupa mapapiers: T: Its what the planes use to na pa papiers pale baliandika: announce themselves at airfields. F: Conaco: F: Mm-hmm. T: Conaco: bantu unaona beko T: [The plane] dropped leaflets, banafuya bale: bengine papers on which they wrote... banapokelea: maélections F: Conaco. présidence: présidentielles/ T: Conaco. People are milling F: na mu papiers iliandikwa tu ma: around, some are catching this ma nini? campaign material for the T: ilikuwa: non papier iliandikwa presidential election. mingi: ni kusema votez: Conaco: ni F: And what was written on these parti yenu politique/ mutaikala leaflets? bien: votez Conaco: iliimbiwa na T: Lots of things -- "Vote Conaco, mwimbo ya mingi: Franco: ule ya it is your Party. You will have a Luambo Makadi/ good life if you vote for Conaco." F: mm/ And lots of songs were performed, T: aliimba madisques nayee: for instance by Franco, who now muvotez Conaco: ni kweli calls himself Luambo Makadi. aliemporter victoire/ F: Mm-hmm. F: aah/ T: On his records he sang: "Vote T: eeh/ Conaco!" And it's true, Tshombe was victorious. F: I see. T: Yes. 21. F: njo quatre vingt et un: T: quatre vingt et un/ F: quatre vingt deux: itakuwa: rébellion ya Mulelistes/ T: ya Mulélistes eh/ F: [rummaging] Mulelistes/ contre la ANC/ au Kwilu/ [Painting 83: The Mulelist Uprising] 21. F: This is eighty-one. T: Eighty-one. F: Eighty-two, it's going to be about the Mulelist rebellion. T: Yes, the Mulelist [rebellion]. F: [rummaging] The Mulelists against the ANC, in the Kwilu [Painting 83: The Mulelist 34 sur 55 05.02.2006 0:38
APS - The History of Zaire by Tshibumba Kanda Matulu - Third Sessio... file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/USER/Mes%20documents/... T: bon/ au Kwilu/ kama utakuwa na kya kuniuliza: nitajibu/ F: juu minaona hata ba: sawa baguerriers: beko baMulelistes/ T: baMulelistes oui/ F: habakuwe na ma: ba: bunduki: ao: T: m: m: apana balikuwa na mflêches/ F: mm/ T: eheh/ njo balianza tu kuua batu/ c'est que balikuwa ma: c'est que baMulelistes kwa kufwata bien: d'après l'histoire: mulikuwa na baJaponais/ F: mm? T: mulikuwa baChinois: mule ndani/ c'est que njo ilikuwa: armée ya Mulele/ iliravager ile kipande yooote ile/ balikamata mikini mingi: inaenea na kukamata na Kinshasa tu/ F: eyo/ T: eeh/ par la bonne chance: sijue vile ilipitaka: na vile ANC alibafukuza na kubabamba/ na Mulele au lieu kama alikimbiaka mu: kama ni mu Afrique kama ni mu Europe: sais pas histoire: alibambiwa mu Brazza: ni mambo ya bakubwa/ F: mm/ mambo ya bakubwa? T: ya bakubwa [chuckles]/ F: mambo ya bakubwa/ T: eeh/ tunafika fasi ingine: tunasema mambo ya bakubwa/ F: ...?... T: ah i: maaffaires ya baautorités: haituangarie/ F: aah/ T: mm/ 22. F: quatre vingt trois: rébellion au Congo: [T95] T: bon/ ni mbele ya monument: ku Kisangani/ F: mm/ T: ku Stanleyville/ F: Boyoma? T: Kisangani Boyoma/ F: Boyoma/ Boyoma? T: sawa hivi: nitasema na mufano Mbuji Mayi/ F: mm/ T: c'est que Boyoma: ni kutaya kwa mukini/ F: mm/ T: eeh/ Uprising]. T: Fine. In the Kwilu region. If you have questions, I'll answer. F: I see there are warriors, are they the followers of Mulele? T: Yes, they are the Mulelists. F: Didn't they have guns, or...? T: No, they just had arrows. F: Mm-hmm. T: Yes, and they began to kill people. But the Mulelists, to be historically accurate, were allied with the Japanese. F: Mm-hmm? T: [Or rather,] there were Chinese among them. That was Mulele's army and it devastated that whole area. They took many towns, in fact, they almost took Kinshasa. F: I see. T: Yes. But by some chance -- I don't know how it happened -- the Congolese National Army chased them away and captured many. And Mulele, instead of fleeing to some place in Africa or Europe, went to Brazzaville where he was captured. But I don't really know that story well, it is something that regards the big shots. F: The big shots, eh? T: The big shots [chuckles] F: Affairs of the big shots. T: Well, when we get to certain points we just say: Those are the affairs of the big shots. F: ...?... T: Affairs of the people in power, they don't regard us. F: I see. T: Mm-hmm. 22. F: Eighty-three, rebellion in the Congo [Painting 84: The Rebellion in Stanleyville. T: Right. The scene is in front of a monument in Kisangani. F: Mm-hmm. T: Stanleyville. F: And what is Boyoma [inscribed on the picture]? T: Kisangani Boyoma. F: Boyoma. Boyoma? T: It's as I say Mbuji-Mayi, for instance. F: Mm-hmm. T: Boyoma is a name they use in that town 35 sur 55 05.02.2006 0:38
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