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<strong>APS</strong> - <strong>The</strong> <strong>History</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>Zaire</strong> <strong>by</strong> <strong>Tshibumba</strong> <strong>Kanda</strong> <strong>Matulu</strong> - Third Sessio... file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/USER/Mes%20documents/...<br />
F: mm/<br />
T: eeh/ ni sawa/<br />
7.<br />
F: sasa: eh: numéro: soixante<br />
neuf: [Painting 70: Katanga<br />
Soldiers Shooting People in<br />
Jadotville]<br />
T: bon/<br />
F: ni: les Balubakat: à<br />
Jadotville/ [Recording<br />
interrupted] tena juu ya tu:<br />
....?...hapa/<br />
T: bon/<br />
F: ...?... Jadotville: ulisema k:<br />
kama balikuwa: balikuwa tu baLuba<br />
ya:<br />
T: ya Katanga/<br />
F: ya Katanga: mais mwenye kuk:<br />
mwenye kukala:<br />
T: mu Jadotville/<br />
F: na bo balifanya: ilikuwa mu: mu<br />
mwaka gani?<br />
T: nawaza ilikuwa mu soixante<br />
deux/<br />
F: mu soixante deux?<br />
T: mu soixante deux oui/ soixante<br />
deux/ puisque soixante trois<br />
ilikuwa fin ya sécession ya<br />
Katanga/<br />
F: c'est ça/ ni bo baliweka<br />
drapeau ya Congo/<br />
T: drapeau:<br />
F: juu ya kuonyesha: she tuna:<br />
T: kama tunakatala ile mambo/<br />
atupende ile mambo ya drapeau ya<br />
Katanga/ sawa vile drapeau ya<br />
Katanga: kule iko ni ku centre: ya<br />
Likasi/<br />
F: c'est ça/ hapa ni mu avenue<br />
Sanga/<br />
T: avenue baSanga/<br />
F: oui/<br />
T: eheh/<br />
F: na:<br />
T: kule ya avenue Basanga oui/<br />
F: [goes to door and tells<br />
children to make less noise,<br />
pause] di: muachie makelele eh?<br />
ah: kama baachie makelele ...?...<br />
T: mm/<br />
T: Yes. I think others -- on the<br />
day when I painted this picture<br />
there were some women at my house<br />
there and they said: "I could<br />
never do a thing like this."<br />
F: Mm-hmm.<br />
T: "You would do it," I said,<br />
"when death comes close, you are<br />
just going to do it."<br />
F: Mm-hmm.<br />
T: Yes, that's how it is.<br />
7.<br />
F: Now number sixty-nine [Painting<br />
70: Katanga Soldiers Shooting<br />
People in Jadotville].<br />
T: Fine.<br />
F: It is [about] the Balubakat in<br />
Jadotville. [Recording<br />
interrupted] So then this here<br />
....?...<br />
T: Alright.<br />
F: ...?... Jadotville. You said<br />
that they were Luba from...<br />
T: ...from Katanga.<br />
F: From Katanga, but they were<br />
living in ...<br />
T: ... Jadotville.<br />
F: And they did -- what was the<br />
year?<br />
T: I think it was in '62.<br />
F: In '62?<br />
T: in '62, yes. '62, because in<br />
'63 the Katanga secession was<br />
over.<br />
F: That's it, and those people<br />
were flying the flag <strong>of</strong> the united<br />
Congo.<br />
T: <strong>The</strong> flag.<br />
F: Because they wanted to show:<br />
We...<br />
T:... we are against this affair<br />
[the secession], we don't like the<br />
Katangese flag. <strong>The</strong> Katanga flag<br />
was in the center <strong>of</strong> the town <strong>of</strong><br />
Likasi<br />
F: Right, the scene is on Sanga<br />
Avenue.<br />
T: <strong>The</strong> avenue <strong>of</strong> the Sanga.<br />
F: Yes.<br />
T: Right.<br />
F: And...<br />
T: [It is] there on Basanga<br />
Avenue, yes.<br />
F: [goes to door and tells<br />
children to make less noise,<br />
pause] Listen, stop the noise. If<br />
they would only stop the noise<br />
...?...<br />
T: Mm-hmm.<br />
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