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<strong>APS</strong> - <strong>The</strong> <strong>History</strong> <strong>of</strong> <strong>Zaire</strong> <strong>by</strong> <strong>Tshibumba</strong> <strong>Kanda</strong> <strong>Matulu</strong> - Third Sessio... file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/USER/Mes%20documents/...<br />
F: mm/<br />
T: aah/ kisha kuit: kuita Tshombe<br />
banachanger na drapeau: ili:<br />
ilikuya six étoiles: banakamata<br />
ile ya:<br />
F: ile étoile:<br />
T: ya étoile moja: banaweka/<br />
F: na ile barre rouge?<br />
T: ah barre rouge oui/<br />
F: maana yake ya barre rouge: wee<br />
unasema nini?<br />
T: ile balisemaka ni: sang ya<br />
bamartyrs ya Indépendant/<br />
F: aah/<br />
T: eeh/ mm/<br />
19.<br />
F: bon: donc: ile wakati: Tshombe<br />
alikuwa na:<br />
T: makati anaisha kuwa sawa mu<br />
busultani:<br />
F: ndiyo/ na: na alikuwa<br />
kusumbulia na waBelges juu ya<br />
macontentieux/ [Painting 81:<br />
Tshombe Returning from the<br />
Brussels Talks] sasa ile mallette<br />
yake/<br />
T: bon/<br />
F: R. D. C.: ji:<br />
T: re: dese/ erdese/<br />
F: oui/<br />
T: bon: ni kusema République<br />
Démocratique du Congo:<br />
F: du Congo/<br />
T: mm/ njo ile balimupatiaka kule<br />
alikuyaka/ nazani wee ulisikia mu<br />
discours moya ya Président Mobutu<br />
alisema: eeeh: yee alisema kwa<br />
lakini eh?<br />
F: mm/<br />
T: alisema kulikuwa menteur moya:<br />
alitulanda: anatoka mu Belgique:<br />
banamwekea mule ndani makaka: yee<br />
njo vile alisema eh? alisema paka<br />
vile sasa hapa tu/ banamwekea<br />
ndani makaka: anakuwa na bo<br />
tunaisha asema: mina: isha mambo<br />
ya: contentieux/ mais ali...?...<br />
F: baliingia mu ndani ya makaka?<br />
T: non/ makaka: c'est à dire caca:<br />
banamwekea buchafu mule ndani:<br />
F: Mm-hmm.<br />
T: <strong>The</strong>y dismissed Ileo, they<br />
dismissed Adoula, and after<br />
that...<br />
F: Yes.<br />
T: ... they called in Tshombe,<br />
let's say.<br />
F: Mm-hmm.<br />
T: Yes. And after they had called<br />
in Tshombe they changed the flag.<br />
It used to have six stars, now<br />
they took...<br />
F: This star.<br />
T: ...this one star and put it [in<br />
the flag}.<br />
F: And this red barr?<br />
T: Ah, the red barr, yes.<br />
F: And what do you say is the<br />
meaning <strong>of</strong> the red barr?<br />
T: <strong>The</strong>y said, it's for the blood<br />
<strong>of</strong> the martyrs <strong>of</strong> independence.<br />
F: I see.<br />
T: Yes, mm-hmm.<br />
19.<br />
F: Fine, so this is the time when<br />
Tshombe...<br />
T: ... the time when Tshombe was<br />
in <strong>of</strong>fice.<br />
F: Yes. And he was talking with<br />
the Belgians about the claims [the<br />
two countries had against each<br />
other] [Painting 81: Tshombe<br />
Returning from the Brussels<br />
Talks]. Now, what about this<br />
attache case <strong>of</strong> his?<br />
T: Alright.<br />
F: It says R.D.C.<br />
T: [pronounces] re-de-se,<br />
er-de-se.<br />
F: Yes.<br />
T: That is to say: République<br />
Démocratique du Congo.<br />
F: Du Congo.<br />
T: Mm-hmm. That case was given to<br />
him when he went to Belgium. I<br />
guess you have heard President<br />
Mobutu say recently in a speech...<br />
F: Mm-hmm.<br />
T: ... that Tshombe was a liar. He<br />
deceived us. When he left Belgium<br />
they had put a monkey in that<br />
attache case. That was his way <strong>of</strong><br />
saying that the matter <strong>of</strong> the<br />
claims was finished for us. ...<br />
F: <strong>The</strong>y put a monkey inside? 22<br />
T: No, caca. That is to say they<br />
put caca inside and he came to<br />
deceive us -- I think caca is mavi<br />
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