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T: eeh/ njo iliisha/ T: Kalonji's kingdom?
F: Yes.
T: No [not months], it began in
1961 and was finished in 1962.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: That's how it was. No, its end
was in 1963. He was the one who
founded it. 21
F: I see.
T: Yes, then it was over.
18.
F: septante huit: ao kama ni:
septante neuf sasa/ [Painting 80:
Tshombe Prime Minister]
T: mm/
F: démission de Adoula/ voilà/
T: bon/
F: naona ni parlement/
T: sawa vile nalikuelezea kama ile
ni: palais de la nation eh?
F: palais de la nation/
T: nazani kama njo Mont Ngaliema/
ni yuu Mont Ngaliema/
F: hapana: ni mu ville/
T: ni ville eh?
F: ville oui/
T: na inaweza kama sababu: pa ile
kitabu ile banasema kama ni
résidence: ya président/
F: ile?
T: eeh/
F: palais de nation?
T: eeh/ njo banasema ku ile
kitabu: nazani ilikuwa Kasavubu/
F: mm/
T: bon: njo pale ya ile tableau
nalikuambia asema minakatirisha
matableaux mingi eh?
F: mm/
T: sawa vile naliwaza asema non:
ce: pour ça nifanye paka hii
matableaux: sawa vile unasema niko
nakwenda: hakuna mufano: na vile:
na: nalifanya hii tableau:
F: mm/
T: kwa kusema ni ku ile nyumba ku
palais de la nation: njo kulikuwa
mambo ilianza kupita yote/ bali:
kama démission ekoako:
batamutoshea ku palais de la
nation/
F: mm/
T: ni walitosheaka: Ileo:
banatosha Adoula: et puis
banatosha na:
F: oui/
T: njo kisha k?wanaita Tshombe
tuseme/
18.
T: Hm-mm.
F: Seventy-eight, or is it really
seventy-nine already [Painting 80:
Tshombe Prime Minister]
F: [So now we get to] Adoula's
resignation.
T: Right.
F: I see the Parliament.
T: It's , as I told you before,
the Palais de la Nation, right?
F: Palais de la Nation.
T: I think it's on Mount Ngaliema,
on top of Mount Ngaliema.
F: No, it's in town.. I told you
before that in this series I have
been leaving o
T: In town?
F: In town, yes.
T: It's possible, just that in
this book they say it's the
residence of the president.
F: This [building]?
T: Yes.
F: The Palais de la Nation?
T: Yes. That's what they say in
the this book. I think it was
Kasavubu['s residence].
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Anyhow, I told you about this
one, with many paintings I took
short cuts, right?
F: Mm-hmm.
T: When I thought about [this
period] I told myself, no, I
cannot paint [all the things that
happened] when you had told me you
were going to leave. There was no
way to do it. So I painted this
picture.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Because it was in this
building, in the Palais de la
Nation, that all the events first
happened. When there was a
resignation they would dismiss the
person from the Palais de la
Nation.
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