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5.
na: tena: mu tableau soixante
sept: ni kufa kwake/ [Painting 68:
The Deaths of Lumumba, Mpolo, and
Okito]
T: bon/
F: Lumumba/ sawa wee ulisema:
uliniambia madétails nazani:
T: kufwa kwake/
F: [pointing] unité/ damu inatoka/
T: damu inatoka/ inazambalala 2 /
F: inazangalala [sic]: banasema
Bob Denard: alimuua/
T: Bob Denard alimuuaka/
F: nayee alikuwa nani? Bob Denard?
T: alikuwa mercenaire ya Katanga/
F: mercenaire/
T: eeh alikuwa mercenaire/ sasa
yee alianza kutumikia Katanga/
F: mm/ na Okito: na Mpolo?
T: na Mpolo na Okito: sawa
balikuya naye vilevile: baliweza
?apa kuwawa/
F: mm/
T: eeh/
F: balikuwa banani?
T: Mpolo: puisque: eh: Mpolo
alikuwaka: alikuwa militaire ya
ANC/
F: mm/
T: ...?... kama: alikuwa na grade
gani: shiwezi najua/
F: na Okito vilevile?
T: Okito vilevile/
F: mm/ kama iko ga: wapi: mi sione
iko mu brousse?
T: ile fasi?
F: mm/
T: mina: mi kwa mawazo yangu ni
ndani ya nyumba/ alafu sasa
minafanya juu ya kuonyesha: fasi
alikufia/ sababu kama naonyesha
ndani ya nyumba: macouleurs:
itakuya: ts faible/
F: mm/
T: aitakuya muzuri eeh/
F: mm/ kumbe uliweka wingu/
T: eeh/ aina wingu mais: ni
kutengeneza tu kwa: kwa tableau
tuseme/
F: mm/
T: na misalaba tatu ile uanona
kule: c'est que ni idée yangu:
sababu mi kwa kufwata histoire
yake: minafwataka: naonaka: kama
Lumumba alikuwa sawa Yezu/
F: mm/
T: alikufa tu maana moja na Yezu/
Yezu alikufa: katikati ya bantu
5.
And then painting sixty-seven:
[Lumumba's] death [Painting 68:
The Deaths of Lumumba, Mpolo, and
Okito].
T: Alright.
F: Lumumba. I think you [already]
told me about the details...
T: [of] his death.
F: [pointing] Unity [written in]
the blood that flows.
T: The blood flows and spreads.
F: It spreads. They say it was Bob
Denard who killed him.
T: Bob Denard killed him.
F: Who was he, this Bob Denard?
T: He was a Katanga mercenary.
F: A mercenary.
T: Yes, he was a mercenary working
for Katanga.
F: Mm-hmm. And Okito and Mpolo?
T: Mpolo and Okito, they too were
killed in this place.
F: Who were they?
T: Mpolo was a member of the
Congolese National Army.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: But I don't know what his rank
was.
F: And Okito also?
T: Okito also.
F: Mm-hmm.
F: Mm-hmm. Where is this scene? I
don't recognize this, is it out in
the bush?
T: The place?
F: Mm-hmm.
T: In my thoughts it was inside a
house. But now I did it this way
in order to make the death more
visible. Were I to present the
scene inside, the colors would not
come out and it would not be as
impressive.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: It would not come out well.
F: Mm-hmm. So you put it in a
landscape.
T: Yes. It's not a landscape,
let's just say it was a matter of
composing the picture.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: And the three crosses you see
there, that is my idea. Because
when I followed his history, I saw
that Lumumba was like Jesus.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: He died the same way Jesus did.
Jesus died it was between three,
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