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T: alisema atakamata en couleur:
na atakamata ya mu noir/
F: mm/
T: njo vile ni minafanya/ nafanya:
en couleur: na en noir/ bon/ ni
paka pamoja tu/ kama uko na
maulizo: nitakujibu/
F: ndiyo/ kumbe tunaona: ni paka:
Luano:
T: ni Luano/
F: kiwanza ya:
T: ya: ii ni tour de contrôle: ile
ni avion: ya Sabena/
F: mm/
T: bon: ni nkamba ile: haba: ni
ba: bantu ya sûreté: sawa vile
balikwenda kumupeleka sababu:
kutuma kwa kintu yote: yapashwa
sûreté ajue/ sawa sasa apa umu tu
ni CND: yapashwa ijue/
F: mm/
T: eeh/
F: na beko gendarmes: bagendarmes
de:
T: bagendarmes: ya Katanga/
F: ya Katanga/
T: eeh/
F: aah/ naona croisettes/
T: troisettes [sic]: iko ile nani:
mukub: ile: ata pa drapeau ya
Katanga uliona? zette [sic]/
F: bon: pa fasi ya ma: nyota:
balikuwa na croisettes ku ma:
T: bo banakuwa na croisettes aah:
na croi:
F: mabega/
T: aah ni vile tuseme/
F: mm/ nayee anafanana na Tshombe/
[pointing] huyu/
T: apana/
F: mm/
T: sawa hii wakati balimuletaka
yee: Tshombe akukuyake yee apa
hapana/
F: hapana/
T: Tshombe alikuwa mu safari/ huyu
alikuyaka kule alikuyaka Kibwe:
Munongo: njo balipatikana kule/
F: mm/
F: Mm-hmm.
T: She said that she would
photograph me in color as well as
in black [and white].
F: Mm-hmm.
T: And that's what I did. I
painted (one) in color and (one)
in black (and white). Alright.
It's the same thing. If you have
questions, I'll answer.
F: Yes. So we see Luano [airport].
T: It's Luano.
F: The airport.
T: This is the control tower, and
there is the Sabena plane.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Alright, [Lumumba is tied up
with] this rope and those are
agents of the sûreté.They went to
fetch him because they are always
sent whenever there is something,
the sûreté must know about it.
Nowadays we have the CND that is
charged with gathering
intelligence.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Yes.
F: And those are gendarmes of...
T: Katanga gendarmes.
F: Katanga.
T: Yes.
F: Ah, I see the croisettes [on
the shoulder pieces of the
gendarmes].
T: Troisettes [sic], they
represent copper ingots, the ones
you saw on the flag of Katanga.
Zette [sic].
F: Right, instead of stars they
had croisettes on their...
T: They had croisettes -- ah, croi
[that's the correct word]. 5
F: ...on their shoulders.
T: Yes, that's how it was.
F: Mm-hmm. [One of those agents]
looks like Tshombe. This one.
T: No.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: When they brought in Lumumba,
Tshombe was not here in
Lubumbashi.
F: He wasn't.
T: He was travelling. The ones who
were there were Kibwe and Munongo,
they were the ones who met
[Lumumba].
F: Mm-hmm.
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