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F: mm/
T: juu ya: rangi/ mais:
abakumbuke: maana ya ile tableau/
F: eeh/
T: sawa hivi minaingia humu mwako/
minaona ile tableaux ya: Mwenze?
F: eeh/
T: bon: minaona: kama: anafanya
banyama pale/ mais ku banduku
bengine banaona paka ile nyama:
iko furaha/ mais: abayue:
anafansia maana gani: ni ndani ya
pori: muko miti: ndege inaluga
yulu: nyama iko nakimbia moto/
F: mm/
T: ni vile nazani mi minaona/
F: mm/
T: mais: abawaze ile/
F: mm/
T: sasa bo: kama unafanya: sawa
ile ingine tableaux ingine: ooh
pourquoi unafanya vile: ni mawazo
mubaya/
F: mm/
T: sawa vile ulinilomba na mi
naliitika: furaha ya kusema:
nionyeshe: kama na shee
tunaikalaka na akili ya kuenea
kutumika hivi: mais: banduku yetu
njo beko natufreiner/ mêmes les
autorités/
F: mm/
T: anaona atasema: ah: pourquoi
unafanya Lumumba ya mufunga? ni
mubaya/ et pourquoi unafanya hivi:
iko mubaya/ sawa ile: tableau ile
ya Lumumba minakufansia anaisha
kufa hii:
F: mm/
T: nikitoshayo nazani mu
Lubumbashi: niko sûr: sababu:
exposition yangu yote: kama
naexposer: nikipima kuexposer hapa
pa: au Bon Marché/ nitaweza kubeba
vile ile yote ile/ bantu batakuya:
[claps] mingi sana/
F: mm/
T: sasa mu buingi mule utashikia
bengine bana?anza kusema: ts: mais
bintu ya hivi: aah: ts: iko
mubaya/ na au lieu ya kuuza:
kwenda kubakia nayo: mawazo: yee
anasema iko mubaya/
F: mm/
T: [low voice, sentence
incomprehensible] ...?...
F: paka: paka: sawa ...?...
T: kwa hii série nakufansia:
F: eh/
this painting].
F: Mm-hmm.
T: It's about the color but they
don't think about the meaning of
that painting.
F: I see.
T: Like when I come inside your
home here, I see those paintings
by Mwenze, right?
F: I see.
T: Alright. I see [some artists]
paints those animals. But some
brothers only see those animals
and enjoy it. But they don't
realize what [the artist] intended
-- that it is [a scene] in the
bush. These are trees, birds rise,
animals flee from the fire.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: I guess, this is how I see it.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: But they don't think that way.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Now, when you do those other
paintings [they say]: "Oh, why did
you do it that way, it's a bad
idea.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Because you asked me I went
along with it. I was glad to be
able to show that we are
intelligent enough to work in this
way. But our brothers put a break
on us, especially the authorities.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Some one see [such a painting}
and he will say: "Ah, why do you
paint Lumumba tied up, this is
bad." For instance, this picture I
did for you of Lumumba's death.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: I am certain, if I were to show
it in Lubumbashi... 14 Because the
only kind of exposition I have is
when I try to show [my paintings]
at the Bon Marché [store] here [in
Lubumbashi]. In that case I could
bring along all those painting and
a lot of people would come.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: And in the crowd you would hear
some who begin to talk: "But this
kind of stuff, oh, this is bad."
Instead of buying and then keep
them at home [as something that
gives him] thoughts, he says "This
is bad."
F: Mm-hmm.
T: [low voice, sentence
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