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T: ile njo ilikuwa: drapeau mo: ya
nani: ya royaume/
F: mm/
T: ya baLuba/
F: na banayengaka: ba: wanamuke
wanabeba bintu mu:
T: bitu mu kichwa:
F: kichwa:
T: mule ndani muko banaume: beko
nakimbia tembo kule:
F: aah/ mais minaona nyumba ya
kuachana/ nyumba ya sawa ku
mugini:
T: bon: nyumba ya ku mugini: pale
banafika: ndani mule: banayenga
betu nyumba ile yetu ya ku mugini
ya bankambo/
F: mm/
T: et puis baliwekana sasa ...?...
franga: banaanza kuuza matofali:
na kuyenga directement/
F: mm/ na mo: hata motokari
...?...
T: na motokari ilikuya kule:
balikuwa: bintu yote tu/ même
télévision/ kulikuya tu/
F: kulikuya tu?
T: bintu yote ya franga:
ilikuyako/
F: na sasa: bon/ tembo: ulisema:
ni kuonyesha: kama ilikuwa tu mu
pori/
T: ilikuwa mu pori tu/
F: mm/
T: mulikuwa tembo: sawa ku kipande
ya Kasai kuko tembo mingi/
F:mm/
T: sawa kipande ya Bakwa Nsumpi/
na sasa/ kama unatembea: utaona
tembo anatoka pale/
F: eyo/
T: chui: ou bien simba/
F: sasa balifunga nani: kima/
T: ni: kima ule wanafunga/
F: [chuckles]
T: mm: balikuwa na kima yabo:
wanafunga:
F: juu ya nini?
T: ni nyama yako unaenea kutembea
nayo/ bale bengine balipenda/
F: c'est vrai?
T: eeh/ ata:
F: kupenda: kutembea na pi: na
kima?
T: na kima kufunga/ ata mimi: niko
naye: na yangu/
F: hapa sasa?
T: ku Likasi/ Madame Fabian
alikuelezea?
T: ... victory.
F: Of victory, the flag of the
Baluba.
T: It's Kalonji's flag.
F: It's Kalonji's.
T: It was the flag of the
kingdom...
F: Mm-hmm.
T: ...of the Baluba.
F: People are busy with
construction work. The women carry
loads.
T: On their heads.
F: Their heads.
T: There are men, running away
from an elephant over there.
F: Yes. I also see houses of
different types. There are some
huts like in a village.
T: Alright. Those they built when
they first arrived, huts like our
ancestors used to build.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Then they got some money
together and began to buy bricks
and used them for building.
F: Mm-hmm. And there were even
cars?
T: There were cars, everything.
There was even television.
F: Was there?
T: Anything that money could buy.
F: Now, about the elephant. It was
to show that the place was in the
bush.
T: It was in the bush.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: There were elephants. In the
Kasai region there are many
elephants.
F: Mm-hmm.
T: Where the Bakwa Nsumpi live,
even today, when you take a walk
you will see an elephant coming
out [of the bush].
F: I see.
T: Leopards and lions.
F: And there they tied up a
monkey.
T: Yes, it's a monkey on a leash.
F: [chuckles]
T: People had monkeys whom they
kept on a leash.
F: What for?
T: It's an animal you can walk
around with. Some people like this
sort of thing.
F: Really?
T: Yes.
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