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12415:34:571 have given them to me then.2 Q: I think he was actually paid every two weeks but I'm subject to correction3 on that, but your recollection is that it was a monthly payment?4 A: Monthly.15:35:065 Q: Okay. But if it was every two weeks what you are clear about is that you6 only did it once a month so he may well have cheque given you two cheques once7 a month?8 A: I don't recall. I just remember it being every month."915:35:2310 Judge Keys asked you on the same day at page 169, 802 "Just one question. Do I11 take it from your evidence that the only banking input you had with Mr. Ahern12 was related purely to his cheques arising from his salary, is that correct?13 A: Yes, Judge.14 Q: Nothing else?15:35:4615 A: Nothing else, Judge".1617 Do we take it from that, Ms. Carruth, that until that point, day 802, you were18 making no reference to the fact that you were in fact making lodgements to19 Mr. Ahern's own accounts, isn't that so?15:36:0320 A. Yes.21 Q. 684 And why is it that you did not indicate to the Tribunal at that time that not22 only were you engaged in cashing his cheques and bringing the money back to23 him, you were also engaged in making lodgements to his bank account?24 A. I don't remember. I didn't remember at the time that he had a bank account --15:36:2825 an Irish Permanent account.26 Q. 685 Well had you not discuss this had with Mr. Ahern before the responses were27 given by him to the Tribunal as to what accounts he had and what lodgements28 were made to them, did he not discuss that with you?29 A. No.15:36:4630 Q. 686 We'll see from page 27293, the next lodgement in sequence to the IPBS accountPremier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
12515:36:541 of Mr. Ahern's was the sum of 3,518.99 pounds. You see that? It will come on2 screen now in a moment; 27292, please. That's an incorrect page reference3 number. 27293, please.415:37:265 I think this stems from the addresses may have been blanked but -- is that it6 there? Yes. That document 9th of May 1994, Ms. Carruth, you see that?7 A. Yes.8 Q. 687 It's a lodgement to Mr. Ahern's account?9 A. Yes.15:37:4210 Q. 688 It's sign the Grainne Carruth?11 A. Yes.12 Q. 689 Does it follow that you were in the bank on this day, the 9th of May 1994, and13 that you made a lodgement of 3,018.99 pounds to Mr. Ahern's account? Sorry.14 3,518.99 pounds.15:38:0315 A. Yes.16 Q. 690 You did?17 A. I -- when I look at this, it's my date, that's how I date stuff.18 Q. 691 Yes.19 A. So I possibly, yes, could have done this.15:38:3020 Q. 692 And you will see that that is a cash lodgement.21 A. Yes.22 Q. 693 What can you tell the Tribunal about making cash lodgements on behalf of23 Mr. Ahern? You have so far indicated that until now you did not tell the24 Tribunal that you made any lodgements to Mr. Ahern's account. Are you is a now15:38:4325 saying that you made cash lodgements to his account?26 A. I have no memory, well, it's just being put in front of me that obviously27 Bertie did have an account there. But I don't have a memory of his account28 being there.29 Q. 694 Can I suggest to you that it hasn't just been put in front of you, Ms. Carruth.15:39:0630 You've had this documentation for over two weeks now. You've been asked toPremier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
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