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1611:01:561 of May 1994 of 3,518.99 pounds. And thirdly, the following day the 10th of May2 1994, a cash lodgement of 50.63 pounds. And fourthly, the 28th of October3 1994, a cash lodgement of 3,970.19 pounds. I want to go through each one of4 those and the documents that accompany those transactions.11:02:2256 And to deal first of all with the, with the lodgement on the 9th of March 1994,7 cash lodgement the amount is 4,119.59 pounds. And in relation to this, may I8 refer to page 27283, please. And this is a letter which the Tribunal received9 from Mr. Cathal McCarthy, chief legal officer from the Irish Life And Permanent11:03:0410 dated 5th of March 1988. And it says:1112 "Dear Ms. Gilvarry, re account number 77595799, Mr. Bertie Ahern.13 B/T account number 2352605737, Mr. Tim Collins.1411:03:2015 I acknowledge receipt of your letter of the 4th instant and I note the contents16 thereof."1718 And dealing first of all Mr. Hughes with Mr. Ahern's account. Account number19 and the number is given (this account) - Mr. Bertie Ahern.11:03:3520 A. Okay.21 Q. 79 "The company has previously furnished you with the lodgement dockets for the22 five transactions specified in your letter. The company recently decided to23 see if it could locate the daily records of foreign exchange purchases in the24 Drumcondra branch for the eight lodgements to this account to ensure that it11:03:4925 had complied with a number of orders for discovery.2627 It located a number of documents details of which I set out hereunder in28 relation to the queries raised in the your letter.2911:03:5930 1. Lodgement of 4,119.59 pounds on the 9th of March 1994.Premier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
1711:04:051 There was a purchase of 4,000 pounds Sterling on 9th March 1994 at 10:24. The2 transaction was completed on teller machine No. 2 and was the 12th transaction3 conducted on that machine that day. The company paid 419.59 pounds (sic) to4 the seller of the Sterling. The company paid 4,119.59 pounds to the seller of11:04:335 the Sterling (copy herewith). The company believes that this document is6 discoverable because a lodgement of 4,119.59 pounds was made to this account on7 the 9th March 1994 at 10:28 on teller machine No. number 2 and was the 13th8 transaction on that machine that day.911:04:5110 B. There was a purchase of 1,000 pounds Sterling on 9th March 1994 at 10:28/9.11 The transaction was completed on teller machine No. 2 and was the 14th12 transaction conducted on that machine that day. The company paid 1,028.4013 pounds to the seller of the Sterling (copy herewith). The company believes14 that this document should be furnished as Ms. Cecelia Ahern authorised it to11:05:1115 furnish background documentation to specified lodgements to her account.1617 A lodgement of 1,028.40 was made to Ms. Cecelia Ahern's account, account number18 given, on 9th March 1994 at 10:31 on teller machine No. 2 and was the 15th19 transaction on that machine that day. The lodgement docket was signed by11:05:3020 Ms. Grainne Carruth.2122 C. There was a purchase of 1,000 pounds Sterling on 9th March 1994 at 10:31.23 The transaction was completed on teller machine No. 2 and was the 16th24 transaction conducted on that machine that day. The company paid 1,028.40 to11:05:4625 the seller of the Sterling (copier herewith), the company believes that this26 document should be furnished as Ms. Georgina Ahern authorised it to furnish27 background documentation to specified lodgements to her account.2829 A lodgement of 1,028.40 was paid to the account of Ms. Georgina Ahern account11:06:0530 number, number given on 9th March 1994 at 10:33 on teller machine No. 2 and wasPremier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
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Page 12 and 13: 1210:55:061 Q. 48 I believe the fig
Page 14 and 15: 1410:58:361 A. Yep.2 Q. 65 And ther
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Page 20 and 21: 2011:10:121 Q. 99 Yes.2 A. And then
Page 22 and 23: 2211:13:361 A. No, no.23 CHAIRMAN:
Page 24 and 25: 2411:17:011 is that right?2 A. No.3
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Page 31 and 32: 3111:51:131 JUDGE FAHERTY: It's 99
Page 33 and 34: 3311:55:531 A. And that was 11:07,
Page 35 and 36: 3512:00:101 A. It's on 02 machine.2
Page 37 and 38: 3712:05:161 A. Correct.2 Q. 245 Do
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Page 47 and 48: 4712:24:231 Q. 318 Okay. So if I co
Page 49 and 50: 4912:27:091 A. Correct.2 Q. 330 And
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Page 53 and 54: 5312:33:231 A. I would say so.2 Q.
Page 55 and 56: 5512:36:241 A. Sorry correct yes.2
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Page 59 and 60: 5912:42:091 CHAIRMAN: Yes.2 A. And
Page 61 and 62: 6112:45:231 or 15:49. It was comple
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7314:11:291 A. Each one was an indi
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7514:14:421 A. Yeah.2 Q. 498 Have y
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7714:17:071 MR. HOLLAND: So if tran
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8514:30:461 A. Occasionally I did.
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10114:54:291 A. Yeah, yeah.2 Q. 603
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11715:22:121 JUDGE FAHERTY: Fine.23
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12115:28:531 CHAIRMAN: It's not a s
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13115:47:0212 CHAIRMAN: Okay.34 Q.
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13315:52:511 A. It's 14 years ago.2
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