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9414:44:361 a grant of limited representation on behalf of Mr. Kenneth McDonald who is2 about to give evidence.34 CHAIRMAN: Certainly. Granted.14:44:4456 MR. BURKE: Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.78 MS. FOLEY: Mr. Kenneth McDonald, please.914:44:49101112131415161718192021222324252627282930Premier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
9514:45:011 MR. KEN McDONALD, HAVING BEEN SWORN, WAS QUESTIONED BY2 MS. FOLEY AS FOLLOWS:34 CHAIRMAN: Good afternoon, Mr. McDonald.14:45:1356 Q. 539 MS. FOLEY: Good afternoon, Mr. McDonald.7 A. Hello. How are you.8 Q. 540 Mr. McDonald, when did you start working with the Irish Permanent Building9 Society as it was then known?14:45:2210 A. I would have started in about 1981, 1982.11 Q. 541 And at what point did you move to the Drumcondra branch?12 A. Mid 80s, '85, '86.13 Q. 542 And at what point did you leave the Drumcondra branch?14 A. I left the Drumcondra branch around 1990.14:45:4615 Q. 543 1990. And you have now left the organisation, is that correct?16 A. I left the organisation, yes, in '92.17 Q. 544 Could I have page 26126, please. On screen there, Mr. McDonald, that's a18 statement of the account the B/T account. I think you will see in the top left19 hand corner an account number?14:46:0620 A. Yes.21 Q. 545 An indication that it was a share account and then B/T?22 A. Yes.23 Q. 546 This account was managed by Mr. Tim Collins the Tribunal has been told. And do24 you know Mr. Tim Collins?14:46:2025 A. I remember Mr. Collins from the branch, yeah.26 Q. 547 Would you know him as a customer of the branch?27 A. As a customer, yes.28 Q. 548 And did you know him as a businessman or as a politician or in what way did you29 know him?14:46:3230 A. Just as a respected man who came into the branch I would have been from aPremier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
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