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4412:20:271 The first being a lodgement of -- sorry, an exchange of 6,000 pounds Sterling2 made up of 4,000 Sterling going in to Mr. Ahern's account and then 1,0003 Sterling going in to each of his two daughters accounts on the 9th of March4 1994, is that correct?12:20:485 A. Yes.6 Q. 296 And secondly, on the 9th of May 1994, the sum of 5,450 pounds Sterling being7 bought in by the branch and being distributed as between Mr. Ahern's account8 3,518.99 pounds and then 1,000 to each of the two daughters' accounts?9 A. Yep.12:21:1310 Q. 297 And on the following day a Sterling amount of 50,000 pounds converting into11 50.63 pounds.1213 JUDGE FAHERTY: That's 50 pounds I think, Mr. Murphy. I think you said14 50,000.12:21:2815 A. I'll have it.16 Q. 298 MR. MURPHY: 50 pounds Sterling?17 A. Yes.18 Q. 299 And fourthly on the 28th of October 1994, the sum of 4,000 pounds Sterling?19 A. Correct.12:21:3820 Q. 300 Is that correct?21 A. Correct.22 Q. 301 And then finally in relation to the B/T account, 20,000 pounds Sterling on the23 26th of October 1994?24 A. Correct.12:21:4725 Q. 302 Thank you, Mr. Hughes.2627 CHAIRMAN: Mr. ...2829 MR. MILLAR: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.12:22:0730Premier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
4512:22:071 THE WITNESS WAS QUESTIONED BY MR. MILLAR AS FOLLOWS:23 Q. 303 MR. MILLAR: Good afternoon, Mr. Hughes. I represent Grainne Carruth and4 there are a number of issues I would like to raise with you. I should put it12:22:085 into a context for you to say that Ms. Carruth's evidence will be that she did6 not conduct Sterling transactions at your branch. I think I should say that to7 you at the start.89 Could I just refer to a comment that you made there coming to the close of your12:22:1910 evidence. Where you say that you have a recollection that you formed the11 impression of Sterling lodgements involving Ms. Carruth, is that correct?12 A. Correct.13 Q. 304 I see. Could I just touch briefly and even though it's not a direct concern to14 me. Could I touch briefly on the issue of the 20,000 pounds and Mr. Collins.12:22:3915 I think you described elsewhere in your private interview Mr. Collins was an16 eminent or very important client in your office, is that correct?17 A. Correct.18 Q. 305 And I think you also made reference to his relationship with Mr. Ahern. So19 that would have added to his importance I think in your eyes, is that so?12:22:5620 A. Correct.21 Q. 306 And he was a man who went into your office and I think the evidence in private22 interview was that he didn't queue up, that he would be dealt with right away.23 People would see him and deal with him immediately, isn't that so?24 A. No.12:23:0525 Q. 307 All right. I think Mr. McDonald might have said that to you in his private26 interview perhaps I might be attributing that you to you incorrectly but would27 it be the case that he would have been considered as sort of a prize client?28 A. He would have been.29 Q. 308 I see. And would you consider Ms. Carruth in the same way?12:23:2030 A. No.Premier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
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Page 24 and 25: 2411:17:011 is that right?2 A. No.3
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Page 59 and 60: 5912:42:091 CHAIRMAN: Yes.2 A. And
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13115:47:0212 CHAIRMAN: Okay.34 Q.
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