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3912:10:141 to him on one or two occasions.2 Q. 266 Yes. And as far as you were concerned, was it his account?3 A. I had no information that it was not, that it was anyone else's account, I just4 made an assumption that B and T was Bertie and Tim. I had no other evidence to12:10:445 say it was anyone else's account.6 Q. 267 Yes.78 CHAIRMAN: Sorry, Mr. Murphy. Was that, we're keen to understand what your9 assumptions were and understandings were many years ago when you were the12:11:0610 manager and you'd have seen Mr, that's when you met Mr. Collins on a couple of11 occasions. You said, am I right that you assumed, are you saying when you12 assumed it was Bertie/Tim. Is that something that you assumed then?13 A. Yes.1412:11:2315 CHAIRMAN: Or in more recent times?16 A. No then. I assumed then. In the lack of any other information or another name17 to that account. I had no information to say it was, it was just an assumption18 on my part. It was just my assumption at the time.1912:11:3920 CHAIRMAN: Did you know of any association between Mr. Collins and Mr. Ahern?21 A. Yes, I had known they were associates, close associates.2223 CHAIRMAN: Politically or in a friendly way or?24 A. Well, no, not politically. Friendly.12:11:552526 CHAIRMAN: I am just wondering what prompted you to believe at that time that27 Mr. Ahern was part owner of the or part -- that the B was Bertie, Mr. Ahern?28 A. Yeah.2912:12:0930 CHAIRMAN: What prompted you at that time?Premier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839