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6012:43:441 similar. Could you explain circumstances in which a different member of your2 staff would fill in one figure and you would fill in the other one?3 A. Yeah. If I was helping out I might ask her or the other person to work the4 Forex machine and get me the translation or the transaction and then I would12:44:065 complete the lodgement.6 Q. 422 So which of these figures is yours then, the one on the lodgement docket?7 A. The lodgement docket.8 Q. 423 I see. And can you explain to us in your evidence you said that the foreign9 exchange transaction took place at 16:43 on the 28th of October. Correct?12:44:2310 A. Go on, yeah.11 Q. 424 And then you say the lodgement was done at 13:49 or 15:49. How do you explain12 that?13 A. Sorry would you say that again please the Sterling transaction was what?14 Q. 425 I understand you to say the Sterling transaction took place at 16:43 on the12:44:4315 28th of October?16 A. I haven't got the statement here.1718 CHAIRMAN: Could we just see the -- this is the Sterling transaction,19 Mr. Millar, is it?12:44:582021 MR. MILLAR: Correct.2223 CHAIRMAN: What, is this the one on screen?2412:45:022526 Q. 426 MR. MILLAR: If we go to page 27240, please. And if I could refer you down to27 the last few lines starting at line 27.2829 You said "A lodgement of 3,970.19 was made to this account on the 28th of12:45:2230 October 1994. The transaction appears to have been conducted at either 13:49Premier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
6112:45:231 or 15:49. It was completed on teller machine No. 1 and was the 105th2 transaction on that machine that day."34 Now, if I understand matters correctly, if you go back please to the start of12:45:425 page 27240 at the start of paragraph seven. It says here "there was a purchase6 of 4,000 pounds Sterling on the 28th of October at 16:43". So we have a7 purchase of Sterling at 16:43 and we have a lodgement of what you say was the8 Irish pound equivalent at either 13:59 or 15:49 and you say that you completed9 one of these dockets and that somebody else completed the other one. How do12:46:1310 you explain any of that?11 A. I can't understand that. Have we got that document for the 3,900? Can you12 clarify those dates or those times?13 Q. 427 I beg your pardon sorry.14 A. Can you clarify the times?12:46:511516 JUDGE FAHERTY: 27296 I think is the number, Mr. Millar or the lodgement to17 the account I think.1819 JUDGE KEYS: 27297 is the lodgement docket that was purchased.12:47:172021 Q. 428 MR. MILLAR: I am taking your evidence. This is what you have said.22 A. Well can I have a look at those documents. The timings of those relevant23 documents and have a look at the time.24 Q. 429 Just before you do that. You met -- you met with the Tribunal lawyers on two12:47:3425 occasions, isn't that correct?26 A. Correct.27 Q. 430 And I take it that you had the benefit of legal advice before you did so?28 A. Correct.29 Q. 431 And you had extensive discussions with your own people and you looked at all of12:47:4830 this documentation before you met the Tribunal, isn't that so?Premier Captioning & Realtime Limitedwww.pcr.ie Day 839
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Page 33 and 34: 3311:55:531 A. And that was 11:07,
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Page 37 and 38: 3712:05:161 A. Correct.2 Q. 245 Do
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Page 53 and 54: 5312:33:231 A. I would say so.2 Q.
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