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B.D. MCKENZIE - CR-EX. (MCKINNON) MAY <strong>31</strong>, <strong>2013</strong><br />

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Q Okay. And we heard evidence as well from Alana<br />

Brownlee and Karen McDonald and at risk of boring the<br />

Commissioner to death, he heard evidence about the<br />

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training.<br />

But are you familiar with the new training<br />

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that's in place at Winnipeg CFS amongst others?<br />

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Generally familiar, yes.<br />

And would you agree again that that's giving<br />

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workers the kind of training they need to make those very<br />

decisions we just spoke about?<br />

A Yes. And one of the important elements of that<br />

is the combination of the safety oriented practice for<br />

signs of safety with that suite of tools that we talked<br />

about.<br />

Q Okay. And so you think that's all positive<br />

developments and good for the protection of children?<br />

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Absolutely.<br />

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Q One final point, then. I'm switching gears now<br />

and I'm going to take you to the evidence that Mr. Olson<br />

took you to from Dr. Trocmé, and he showed us that chart<br />

with Manitoba having a very high incidence of children in<br />

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care.<br />

Would you agree with me that this issue of Winnipeg<br />

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having a high number of children in care, perhaps the<br />

highest in Canada, has been with us for many decades?<br />

A Yes. It's actually Manitoba, I think, rather<br />

than Winnipeg, but you're right, it's been --<br />

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