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May 31, 2013 - Phoenix Sinclair Inquiry

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B.D. MCKENZIE - DR.EX. (OLSON) MAY <strong>31</strong>, <strong>2013</strong><br />

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be somewhat -- there's a certain involuntary nature to some<br />

of those services.<br />

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Right.<br />

Kind of take it or leave it.<br />

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Q Right. Your example of the pyramid, in talking<br />

about levels of the services, we've, we heard that there<br />

was some involvement with the family with community<br />

organizations like Ma Mawi, places like that, Andrews<br />

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Street Centre.<br />

Those would be examples of the services<br />

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that families might get -- community-based services from --<br />

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Right.<br />

-- the prevention services that, that are there<br />

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before there's ever any engage --<br />

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Possibly.<br />

-- possibly ever an engagement with the child<br />

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welfare system.<br />

A That's correct. And you know, those, those<br />

services are important for many families but because they<br />

tend to be voluntary, because they, they miss those<br />

families that are unwilling to engage on a voluntary basis<br />

and in some cases those services aren't effectively<br />

coordinated with the child welfare service -- child welfare<br />

agency to make sure that families don't fall through the<br />

cracks.<br />

Q Okay. But engagement in social inclusion,<br />

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