January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
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punch hard in the first round.Most of the others in that era felt their<br />
opponents out.<strong>Jerry</strong> just threw hard all the time.Oscar had no defense to speak<br />
of.|<br />
|3/20/03 08:27:00 PM|Forest Ward|South Carolina||joekevin@cs.com||||10|Max and<br />
my friends on the board. I am not trying build Bonavena into a Hall of Fame<br />
fighter. But Oscar's record is an example of how you cannot judge a fighter by<br />
his record alone, albeit the fighters's record is probably the #1 determinant in<br />
ranking a fighter, but it not the only one.Oscar was stopped only once<br />
in his career, that was by Ali in the 15th round. No excuses here, but Oscar<br />
was stopped as a result of the 3 knocked down rule in NYC. Oscar lost 2 fights<br />
to Joe Frazier, a lot of people felt Oscar deserved no less than a draw in the<br />
1st fight. Patterson beat him by decision, a lot of people thought Oscar won<br />
that fight, it was that close. Jimmy Ellis, dropped Bonavena twice and beat<br />
him convincingly conviningly. Oscar is not alone, Ellis also beat <strong>Jerry</strong><br />
<strong>Quarry</strong>,Johnny Persol, Floyd Patterson, George Chuvalo, Tony Doyle, Leotis<br />
Martin, among others. Ellis was not a bad fighter. <strong>The</strong> point I am making<br />
is styles make a fight, and someone like Kellerman makes statements based on<br />
what others tell him about old time fighters, whom Kellerman never saw and what<br />
he reads in the record books. He makes these unfounded statements in a shrill<br />
voice, and because his opinions are not questioned, they are given false<br />
accreditation. Bonavena was capable of giving anyone a tough fight, win or lose,<br />
and he was always competative. Oscar was only stopped twice once by Ali in the<br />
15th round, and by a high powered rifle at a whore house. I liked the guy |<br />
|3/20/03 08:51:35 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|That young<br />
heavyweight who won the national Golden Gloves title in 1965 was none other than<br />
our own <strong>Jerry</strong> <strong>Quarry</strong>. I believe in a couple of those fights, he was outweighed<br />
by over 40 pounds.|<br />
|3/21/03 10:01:35 AM|JIMMY DORSEY|VENTURA<br />
CALIFORNIA||RONNYRAINS@yahoo.com||||10|Forest, yes i liked Bonavena too,i could<br />
see jerry quarry getting frustrated,I could also see JERRY maybe even<br />
stopping,oscar(He should have only been the third fighter in history to stop<br />
CHUVALO)Athiough we will never know.Ross Brimer the thug guard, who shot<br />
Bonavena-mysteriously is also dead, JIMMY ELLIS,for sure was good ,if not great<br />
fighter for certain,He headined everywhere,and didn't dissapoint,like so many<br />
other fighter's,he enavitably stayed around to long.|<br />
|3/21/03 12:00:55 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Ellis was a very<br />
good fighter. He really was a blown-up middleweight who beat some very tough<br />
heavies. He put Bonavena on the deck twice which is very hard to do. Ellis<br />
starting going downhill after Shavers koyed him in 1. After that he stated<br />
loosing to guys like Kirkman. Ellis had a good sneaky right that hurt Frazier<br />
for a second in their first fight. He was also Ali's sparring partner for years.<br />
Does anyone remember Roy Tiger Williams? He was pretty tough. Not many guys<br />
wanted to mess with Roy.Also, Manual Ramos, the Mexican heavy of the 60's<br />
died a few years ago I just learned.|<br />
|3/21/03 04:19:40 PM|JIMMY DORSEY|VENTURA<br />
CALIFORNIA||RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM||||10|BIG JOHN:Manual Ramos is also dead?,do<br />
you know the cause??I'LL JUST BET HE SUFFERED FROM DEMENTIA TOO.I wonder why<br />
Ibar Arrington,and KIRKMAN,NEVER GOT IT ON UP IN SEATTLE,BONAVENA-KIRKMAN MIGHT<br />
HAVE MADE FOR AN EXCITING BOUT,BET THE HOUSE ON BONAVENA!|<br />
|3/21/03 05:42:39 PM|Forest Ward|South Carolina||joekevin@cs.com||||10|John, You<br />
are right Kirkman is lucky he never fought Liston, even if Liston was 70 years<br />
old. In fairness to Kirkman most fighters should be considered lucky if they<br />
didn't have to fight Liston. I was at the Liston-Wepner fight. Besides the<br />
fight itself, what I remember was Muhammad Ali was at the fight.Roy<br />
Williams, there is a name from the past! I still remember his fight with Earnie<br />
Shavers. I guess anyone who saw it still remembers it! Larry Holmes in his<br />
biography gives a good detailed look at the career of Roy Williams, Holmes
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