January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
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|10/1/03 08:01:33<br />
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Steve -<br />
Given different things I've heard and read, my guess is that a <strong>Quarry</strong><br />
book would be interesting, perhaps with wider appeal than as one just for boxing<br />
fans. A movie? I'm not sure how a movie audience would respond to a film about<br />
someone who didn't win the title. Hollywood scripts are pretty formula<br />
predictable, and strict boxing movies have even Rocky Balboa as<br />
champion.<strong>The</strong> street fighting aspect is interesting, since first of all,<br />
in a ring these guys are way above the capabilities of the ordinary person. But<br />
secondly, since everyone who watches a fight secretly wonders how they'd fare if<br />
they were in there, the street probably gets their hopes a little higher, away<br />
from the Marquis of Queensbury. A little alcohol may play a part too, I<br />
imagine!|<br />
|10/1/03 05:04:40 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|I have just read that Ring Magazine<br />
in 1998 rated Holyfield above Foreman !!! That's a swearword !! Evander is great<br />
but not so great ! Lennox Lewis rated 32...Another swearword !He is surely a<br />
top 20 all time, maybe a top 10.Ali' called him the greatest of all time !<br />
Was hejoking ? Is he crazy ! Lewis's fights against Golota, Ruddock, Tyson,<br />
Grant, Botha, Morrison, Tua etc are masterpieces !|<br />
|10/2/03 02:39:39 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|MASSIMO: <strong>The</strong> all<br />
time greatest rankings from Ring Magazine have always been whacko. <strong>The</strong> orginal<br />
editor Nat Fleisher wrote that he believed Max Schmelling would have beaten Ali.<br />
Fleisher rated Jack Johnson as the all time best heavy, and I believe, Jim<br />
Jeffries as the #2. I personally rate Ali as the greatest heavy of all time,<br />
with Foreman #2. Right before he died, Jack Dempsey rated Sam Langford as the<br />
greatest. We will never know will we?|<br />
|10/2/03 03:55:37 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|John-I agree with you: Ali'<br />
is the number 1, Foreman is the number 2. Jack Johnson was surely a champion,<br />
but his fights were so boring. If anyone can't sleep, my advice is to watch a<br />
Jack Johnson's fight. Don't you agree ? RS has some doubts about the Ali'-<br />
Foreman fight ! I think that fight was too beautiful to be fixed...<strong>The</strong> only<br />
thing that I can't understand is why the ropes were so loose... What do you<br />
think about ?|<br />
|10/2/03 10:33:41<br />
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|I've read old<br />
copies of Ring Magazine when Fleischer was editor, and he was very anti-Ali. He<br />
grudgingly gave him ~some~ due, but MA could have beaten Foreman and Frazier on<br />
back-to-back nights, and if he'd been dropped, that would lead. He even refused<br />
to call him Ali. Fleischer also tended to go with the ~real~ old timers,<br />
possibly even fighters who kissed his ass (from whenever). I remember in one of<br />
their "Who'd beat who" features, he even had scarecrow Bob Fitzsimmons taking<br />
Frazier, and he liked Joe! He also had Benny Leonard beating Roberto Duran at<br />
lightweight.I've noticed that Muhammad Ali tends to laud fighters he's<br />
either beaten, or never has to fight. Could he be doing that with Lennox Lewis?|<br />
|10/3/03 02:44:31 AM|Ed|Cicero N Y||Mooseygoop@aol.com||||10|R SYea you got<br />
Nat Fleischer pegged correctly. He loved the old timers. He prided himself on<br />
keeping a clean magazine. i guess back in the 60's and before there was a lot of<br />
sex and tawdry stuff in the fight magazines and he had one the whole family<br />
could look at. <strong>The</strong> old Ring Magazines do seem more interesting then the new ones<br />
though, not that i was around to remember the fights. I liked the sketches that<br />
one artist use to do too. One thing he never touched on much either was the<br />
fixing and mob control of fighters back then, and from what i've gathered there<br />
was a lot of it. Ever check out the old fight magazines on ebay? <strong>The</strong>y're not<br />
very expensive and are fun just to look at the old covers, some go back to the<br />
30's. P S I couldnt quite follow you on your last post..4th sentence down.<br />
Not like you to be incoherent so maybe its me. lol|