January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|10/15/03 02:39:17 AM|Massimo|Rome||5||||10|What does it mean "chump" ? I
couldn't find iton the dictionary !|
|10/15/03 03:28:52 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Yes, you are
right. Tyson had more than "nothing" and I should have given it more thought
before writing it. The point I was trying to make was that he didn't like it if
he couldn't intimidate the other fighter. The fight became a lot more even.
Early in his career Tyson was a Top 10 ever fighter and, while I don't think he
could ever beat Ali, Louis, and Foreman, I do think he beats Frazier and perhaps
even Marciano. So saying he had nothing was wrong. He had plenty. However, he
was a squandered talent and maybe because of his upbringing he never really had
a chance. But I still don't think he had the mental toughness to bother Ali and
Louis. Massimo - Ali used to say that Frazier was a 'chump' and not a champ'.
Kooky Clock says you need a hair piece. Why don't you get one like Rocky
Marciano wore when he retired ? It would suit you. |
|10/15/03 08:07:23 AM|Massimo|Rome||hg||||10|I have a DVD called " THE FIGHTERS"
( the most beautiful DVD I have ever seen"). It's allabout Ali-Frazier 1. In
this wonderful DVD it's Frazier that calls Ali' chump... I have never
understood what fuck ( or prick or cazzo in Italian) this means... Surely is
nothing good !!!!|
|10/15/03 08:25:59
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|A lot of things
had to happen for Douglas to beat Tyson that day, if they'd fought 9 more times
at other points in there careers, >Maaaybe, but the real greats were
never taken by someone with that great a discrepancy in ability, all other
things being equal. The main thing that happened was the emergence of Tyson's
chumpism, something no one thought he had. This can override talent any
day.A chump? What is that, something you heard on "Starsky and Hutch" ?
Boxing is full of guys from poor backgrounds, Roberto Duran certainly fits this
profile. >Busted! Yes, I have tapes of all their reruns, and use the
show and its immortal actors (they put Jack Nicholson and Michael Caine, et al
to shame, as we all know) as guides to living a good and God fearing life.
Instead of asking myself, "What would Jesus do?" I ask, "What would Starsky and
Hutch do?" They would have thought Mike Tyson was a physically talented boxer,
but a chump as a man. I was aware that virtually all boxers came/come from poor
backgrounds, yes.How many guys have been champ or damn near champ for 20
years? Tyson is a very rare talent>Compared to ordinary people, and in
this venue, being a chump wouldn't be an issue. However, when talking sports,
people compare athletes to others at their level.Massimo -Some
dictionaries might have "chump" in them, but many don't. It's a slang term that
means someone who's deeply flawed or lacking in some, possibly many ways. In
Tyson's case, we have a man who's very talented physically, but a chump
emotionally, mentally, which is where boxing lives when you have to men (or
women) who are fairly even physically.|
|10/15/03 08:31:05
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Massimo -
Ali and Frazier called each other chumps all the time, falsely. Ali used
to call a lot of his opponents that. To be a chump impugns character, stopping
just short of manhood. Calling another fighter a fag would probably be the only
worse insult, and you don't hear that much. There have been some severe beatings
when this happened. I read a story once where Benny Paret, whom Emile Griffith
killed in the ring, had called Griffith a fag. Whether this had a play in the
result is debatable, but the story's out there.|
|10/15/03 09:02:29 AM|.|.||.||||10|I would be interested to know how you all
think the Jerry Quarry of 1973, especially the one who beat Ron Lyle and Earnie
Shavers, would have performed against Ken Norton. My own view is that Norton
didn’t beat the real JQ, who could never have recovered from his rematch with
Joe Frazier and who didn’t have much time to train for Norton anyway. My view