January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Joe. It seems as though you guys are only looking at what Foreman could do and
not what Louis could do. As for Louis-Liston. If anybody on the top ten all
time great heavyweight list is overrated it's Sonny Liston. Hey Evrin, Kent,
Steve where are you guy's on this one? Are you going to bail me out or put me
in my place? |
|9/13/02 03:16:56 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|Bob, I am with
you on this one. I picked Louis over Foreman, although with some rough early
going. I think Louis speed would be a key element and I think he was much
stronger than people give him credit for.|
|9/13/02 07:14:49 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|REGARDING LISTON:
Well, I think the problem with Liston was that even early in his career he was
much older than people thought he was and probably started out almost past his
prime. But his fights in the late1950's and early 60's were pretty
impressive. But I realize that part of greatness is longevity and Liston was
really a flash in the pan, but a very impressive one while he was hot. I have
seen films of him against Cleve Williams, Eddie Machon, Patterson, etc. and for
a briefmoment he was awesome. the pay he pulverized Nino Valdez had to
imress. By the the time he fought Ali he was about 40 (in my opinion) and washed
up. And yes, he lacked heart, he never should have quit in the Miami fight
againt Ali. I still don't know the real story on that one -- or how he died.|
|9/13/02 02:41:24 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Hey Bob,I agree with
you completely on Joe Louis.I personally think he and Ali are a pick-em for all
time great heavyweights.Louis threw faster,more accurate combinations than
either Forman or Liston.He was also a harder puncher and stronger guy than he
seems to be getting credit for on this site.|
|9/13/02 03:59:39 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|John, Liston's
mother once said she thought Sonny was born in 1929 then later changed it to
1932, no one knows for sure. I don't think Sonny knew how old he was. He was
born on an Arkansas plantation with no birth certificate. I beleive his mother
had 12 or 13 kids with various men. So he may have been as old as 35 when he won
the title. I think in the first Ali fight he just said the hell with it, I'm
tired, I can't catch this guy I'm going home. Another day another dollar. I
remember a story when Sonny fought Chuck Wepner. Wepner said during the ref's
instructions Liston looked like he was 50 years old and been out drinking all
night. He was a good, strong fighter with one of the best jabs in boxing
history, but he had a hard time coping with crafty boxers like Machen. Maybe if
Liston had given himself a break earlier in life he would have made a great
champion. |
|9/13/02 07:35:10 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|How come we
don't have more comments on Ali verses Frazier, prime against prime? I want to
say again, or if I have neglected to do so, thank you to Evren for keeping our
long time tournament going. It has been a long hard road from start to finish.|
|9/14/02 10:52:58 AM|EVREN|LONDON||@||||10|Enjoying a holiday in Italy will post
soon. Evren|
|9/14/02 12:16:28 PM|JIMMY DORSEY|VENTURA
CALIFORNIA||RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM||||10|EVERN: It must be nice!, no,i hope you
are having a good time there (especially on there beaches!). i've sat back and
pondered the FOREMAN/LOUIS bout. I have to agree with JOHN G. AND GO WITH BIG
GEORGE. and only going by opponents alone, didn't LOUIS have a "BUM OF THE MONTH
CLUB?" I know George fought more than his share of "bums!" But at they same
token,he sure took on a lot
better,Lyle,Ali,Frazier(twice),Norton,Holyfield,Chuvalo,Moorer,Morrison,Young,ok
ay big GEORGE never used footwork,and neither did LOUIS,(THEY DIDN'T HAVE TOO!)
GOING OUT ON A LIMB. EARLY ROUND KAYO-FOREMAN.|
|9/14/02 03:31:52 PM|JIMMY DORSEY|VENTURA
CALIFORNIA||RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM||||10|TWO-THINGS THAT I HAVE FORGOTTEN,EDDIE
MACHEN TURNED 34 THE NIGHT HE UPSET JERRY. AND SHORTLY (A FEW MONTHS) BEFORE