January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
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when I saw the fight again, Ali was punching more than I remembered and about<br />
the only round he was really leaning back soley was in the fifth round. Yes Ali<br />
had his back to the ropes in much of the fight, but Ali was counter punching<br />
and giving Foreman angles and beating him to the punch a lot of the time. It was<br />
a good strategy as Ali knew he couldn't dance for the entire fight. Ali was also<br />
tying Foreman up by grabbing his a lot. I think one of the main things that did<br />
Foreman in was the heat. Remember it was held at 4 am in the morning, Zaire<br />
time, and the temp was still over 80 degrees Fairenheit.|<br />
|9/25/02 02:10:37 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|As a side note, I<br />
saw Jimmy Young fightAli. Young got robbed big time. And therewas not<br />
even talk of a rematch.|<br />
|9/25/02 05:33:10 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|I don't think either<br />
Liston fight was fixed. Liston got tired chasing Ali around and quit. Liston<br />
kept up with Ali for most of the fight and caught him a couple of times, he just<br />
didn't have it in him to continue. In the second fight he got caught by Ali<br />
with a right hand as he was coming in to jab, with his left foot off the canvas,<br />
off balance. It was a fast flush shot that shook him up and set him down. I<br />
think if the ref had been a pro and kept Ali in a neutral corner, Sonny could<br />
have gotten up and continued. With Ali standing over him not moving away the<br />
ref, Jersey Joe Walcott, should have called time and restored order. Ali would<br />
have KO'ed him anyway. Liston was hurt by smaller guy's than Ali. Machen shook<br />
him up, and the guy who took Sonny 10 rounds twice, I can't think of his<br />
name(I'll look it up),also shook Sonny up and remember Leotis Martin. Also,<br />
Liston was a strange bird, nobody liked him and he might have just said to hell<br />
with it who needs this crap both times. We may never know. As for "<strong>The</strong> Rumble<br />
in the Jungle", the ropes were loose, witch doctors were dancing the Moon was in<br />
the Seventh House yadda,yadda,yadda. I don't think it made any difference.<br />
George never had the kind of endurance needed to keep up with Ali. Ali took a<br />
body pounding on the ropes yes, he also landed straight hard shots on Foreman<br />
that wore George down. Big George's legs were gone after the 6th round. <strong>The</strong><br />
heat may have bothered George but it was the same temperature for Ali. <strong>The</strong> time<br />
off for the cut eye? George had enough time to get back into shape. Don King?<br />
Well maybe. But a fix...no way. George can't beat Ali period, prime vs. prime,<br />
32 vs. 28. I also don't think Jimmy Young got robbed. He did jab Ali's head<br />
off, but every time Ali went on the offensive he ducked through the ropes to<br />
hide. If you say "thats his style" fine, that style won't win you a<br />
championship. Judges are influenced by your style and, if your trying to win or<br />
just survive. Young wasn't trying to beat Ali like he was vs. Norton or<br />
Foreman. He was in there, that night, to survive. |<br />
|9/25/02 05:52:15 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|Bert Whitehurst was<br />
the guy that took Liston the distance twice. I think Sonny hurt him in both<br />
fights and couldn't put him away. Small crafty guy from St. Louis. Oh, Steve,<br />
what was questionable about the way Ali began his career.|<br />
|9/26/02 12:09:26 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|Liston got<br />
hit with the best shots Cleveland Williams had and wasn't seriously hurt. Ali<br />
beat Liston twice the record books say. I have heard many stories about those<br />
fights and can only say no one really knows what happened except for Sonny. <strong>The</strong><br />
Foreman fight was legit with Ali of course having all the advantages. He always<br />
had them by that point of his career because he was Ali.|<br />
|9/26/02 01:40:55 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|I believe Liston<br />
and Williams fought twice and they both ended in round 2. Williams was good<br />
fighter with a good left hook and left jab.Sadly, he was hit by a car and<br />
killed about two years ago in Houston. |<br />
|9/26/02 08:46:48 PM|tim|new york||steinmec@frontiernet.net||||10|I loved <strong>Jerry</strong><br />
<strong>Quarry</strong>. Does anyone remember his fight with Chuvalo? Seems to me that <strong>Jerry</strong><br />
was kicking his butt when he got caught with a left hook. He went down, jumped<br />
up and for some reason took the 8 count on one knee. But he stayed down until
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