January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

champion, the judges were almost always seduced by the Ali mystique, swaying
them in close rounds. It was almost like his opponents started in the hole. Ali
was good enough to come through most of the time, but he received several close
decisions he shouldn't have, this among them, arguably Young and Shavers too.
1. Boxing 2. Boxing
3. Boxing 4. Boxing
5. Boxing 6. Cock fights
7. Roller derby
***As Jackie Gleason said in Requiem For A Heavyweight, "They'd hold
these things in sewers, if there was head room." You forgot pro
wrestling! If you don't
believe me, ask any former pro boxer, or sports writer.
Furthermore, boxing rankings are 99.9% pure hokum, false, jive
and dishonest. Promoters use them to hype boxers. ***Just off the top of
my head, they did this with Wepner, and I think Coopman too, ahead of them
fighting Ali. I'm not sure where Stander or Daniels were before their fights
with Frazier. What you say is very true, and with a little research, we could
all find a ton of nobodies who suddenly jumped into the top 10 to allow them to
fight a champion looking for some easy sparring and a paycheck. Most legit,
dangerous fighters have to actually beat someone to move up, while others, real
stiffs just sort of appear one day in the rankings to give a champion a workout
and a payday. They even faked out Coopman by calling the "Lion of Flanders."
What a joke.|
|9/3/03 08:35:25 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|*Well, you
could make a case that Ali was "given" the decision in the Young fight, or the
THIRD Norton fight, but against Shavers, Ali won 8 or 9 rounds clearly and
finished stronger. Shavers landed the harder punches (Ali was rocked by the
same punches that KOed Norton in one round and knocked Holmes down, but Ali
stayed upright and answered with his own quick combinations.) but Ali landed
more often and controlled the pace of the fight.* I'm not so sure Frazier
would go through Young like tissue paper. Jimmy Young had an uncanny ability to
adjust to the style of his opponent and he had very clever/awkward moves that
confused some very great fighters, including Ali, Foreman and Norton. A 1971
Frazier would beat a 1977 Young, but it might not be as easy as going through
tissue paper. After Young lost the decision to Ali, he began a string of
impressive fights, which ended when he came in out of shape and lost to Ossie
Ocasio twice. But during his period of excellence, he was superb. I don't
think he would be knocked out by anyone---and would always have a chance to
steal a decision. |
|9/3/03 09:33:44 AM|Massimo|Rome||carnerathe greatest.com||||10|I have read that
Ali' did something illegal and incorrect against Shavers. During the fight he
used a friend to know the judges's scores. This Ali's friend could hear the
scores on TV,watching NBC. Anyway,this site judges the Ali-Shavers fight a
draw.|
|9/3/03 09:34:50 AM|Roadshcolarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|
but Ali landed more often and controlled the pace
of the fight.***Actually, I could be talked into either fighter winning,
and in either case by about the same margin - eight to seven, maybe eight-sixand
one. I'm not so sure that Ali controlled a lot of his fights (as we normally
think of control, ie dominance, with little opportunity for the other man to do
his own thing), particularly in his second career. This was true, even when
fighting nobodies. His style was more one of capitalization, letting his
opponents fight their own fights, and periodically asserting dominance, either
during lulls, or by virtue of mistakes. Rope a dope, while it worked with
Foreman, really wasn't a chosen style so much as it was a necessity. Ali could
no longer fight consistently as he had earlier in his career.