January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

losses to good fighters. Chuvalo fought many average .500 fighters and worse to
pad his stats.|
|7/10/03 10:16:37 PM|Paul Maduros|midwest||pama42@yahoo.com||||10|Lets see now
gentlemen, Cooney vs Chuvalo. I guess Chuvalo is a heavy since he was about 208
to 217. Because of the reach and power difference I would choose Cooney. He
could get the punches in first. We miss you James, I never was lucky enough to
meet you. God bless|
|7/11/03 04:15:34 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Dan: the
reason I asked for opinions on the Mundine v Echols fight in Australia next
month was because I respect the knowledge of posters on this site. You should
too because it can be a forum for learning as well as debate. You mentioned
gleaning knowledge from magazines, trainers, boxers, gyms etc. That's a bit hard
down here as American boxing magazines cost over $20 and none of our gyms have
American fighters who'd know anything about Echols. Anyway, one of the posters
to this site contributes articles to a boxing website and another actually got
into the ring and has practical experience. There is nothing wrong in seeking
their views, is there Dan ? Sometimes it's better to ask and then listen. As far
as Cooney is concerned, while he was fun to watch, he didn't have much
substance. But that is just my opinion. |
|7/11/03 09:53:35 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Both Victor Valle
and Gil Clancy were fine trainers, but even the most skillled trainer cannot
compensate for a glassjaw (except through carefull matchmaking, which Valle
insisted on). Gil Clancy did work wonders with Cooney from atechnical
standpoint. He never in his career looked better than in his first round against
Foreman and that incudes the Holmes fight. Alas for Gerry, George started to
connect in round two and that was all she wrote. Chuvalo lasted 15 rounds
against Ali in hisprime (twice) does anyone honestly think Cooney could
have? Yes, I am sure Cooney would have landed some good shots early,but when
they had no effect, he would have faded and gone out in about 8 or 9 rounds. He
knew nothing about infighting, something Chuvalo was very good at, nor could
he fight in a clinch. I also wonder how well he would have taken
Chuvalo'sbody punches. Lyle and Norton were both in their 40's when they
fought Cooney. He lost to Foreman and Spinks and Holmes. He reallydefeated
only one top fighter who was still near his prime and that was Jimmy Young. So
the whole myth is based on ONEvictory and a lot of nonsense spread by master
promoters Rappaport and Jones. Valle was the only honest one in the
group.After Foreman ko'd Cooney, he publicly criticised Gil Clancy for not
protecting Gerry better. Cooney fought a pretty durable,C-grade jouryman
fighter named Eddie "The Animal" Lopez and could not knock him out, so to think
he would ko ironmanChuvalo is a great leap of faith indeed. Angelo Dundee
said it best regarding what a trainer can and cannot do "I can'tgive a guy
starch, he's gotta be born with it." Dan, I have a tape of Foreman vs. Cooney
and I would be happy to mail itto you for free if you were to email me your
mailing address. If you didn't see it, you really should. I agree that nine out
of tentimes, Quarry would have beaten Chuvalo, but the fact, not suppostion,
is that they only met once and George ko'd him. I agree it was fluky, but
just scoring a legitimate knock down (as even Quarry admiited it was) over a
rugged guy like Jerry is in my mind for more of an accomplishment than anything
Cooney ever did in his entire career. |
|7/11/03 01:49:29 PM|JIMMY DORSEY|VENTURA
CALIFORNIA||RONNYRAINS@YAHOO.COM||||10|I have to hand Mr.Dan C.His due on one
thing!He really does stick by a fighter he believes in,As I have had to do
growing up in Quarry-Country,Gerry Cooney was in the major leagues of course,And
I believe the real apprasil of a bout with COONEY/Chuvalo,IS that Cooney was a
pitcher and Chuvalo a catcher!And would have been one of the "better"
heavyweight encounters!|