January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
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|7/30/03 06:27:13 AM|Massimo|Rome||Massimo.Cini@roma2.infn.it||||10|Mister Kent,<br />
thank you very much for all ! Youcould' t convince me completely ! If he<br />
could'tboxe, how he beat on points Tommy Loughran, one of the most gifted<br />
boxers ofthat time ? And Joe Louis after their fightsaid:" He could't<br />
punch, but he had a pretty good left jab ".Unfortunately I never had<br />
thechance to watch one of his fights and so... This doubt is not going to<br />
let me ! I know hewasn't a great champion but maybe he wasa top ten<br />
contender ( top twenty ?)?. I read youcome from California ! I wanna say<br />
that I ama huge Los Angeles Lakers fan !!!Go Shaq !!!! Go Kobe !!!!|<br />
|7/30/03 07:00:10 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo:<br />
Cleveland Williams was a little over 6'2" tall. Liston was a litlte under 6'1.<br />
Williams was a very good puncher especially with his left hand. Liston beat him<br />
twice and said that Williams hit as hard as he (Liston) did, but dould not take<br />
a punch like he could. Williams was hit by a car and killed about two years<br />
ago. He was a very tough guy, never a champion but an outstanding contender. He<br />
was all washed up by the time he fought Ali.|<br />
|7/30/03 08:09:42 AM|Massimo|Rome||Massimo.Cini@roma2.infn.it||||10|I' m<br />
surprised ! Wasn' t Williams taller than Ali' ? Ali' is 6 2" 1/2 , I think. In<br />
the second Listonfight he looked about 6'6. I' d love to watch hisfirst<br />
fight with Ernie Terrell, for comparison !<strong>The</strong>refore, I guess, Liston was<br />
1.84. But I'msure that Andre' the Giant wasn' t 7'5 !!!!!!!!Maybe 6'8<br />
!!!! In the Ali'-Bonavena fight whatwere the scores at the time of the<br />
stoppage ?I know it was a close, very tough fight forMuhammad but he was<br />
winning or losing ?And what about the Mac Foster and ErnieTerrell fights<br />
? Thanks !|<br />
|7/30/03 09:04:28 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Masimo: I don't<br />
know the exact scoring of the Ali-Bonavena fight but Ali was comfortably ahead<br />
at the time ofthe TKO if my memory serves me right. Bonavena was a tough<br />
rugged fighter and he was a little under 6' tall.I believe Ernie Terrel was<br />
the tallest of the bunch at about 6'5". Terrell was no wheres near the hitter<br />
thatWilliams was. Although Bonavena was from Argentina, he was of Italian<br />
decent. His original trainer wasCharlie Goldman who trained Marciano.<br />
Cleveland Williams was a hard puncher, but I personally don't thinkhe could<br />
bang like Foreman or Shavers. But he was definitely one of the sports<br />
hardmen.|<br />
|7/30/03 09:06:37 AM|Evren|London||@||||10|Massimo.I have just read the<br />
biography of Primo Carnera and was very intrigued. <strong>The</strong> book was called '<strong>The</strong><br />
Story of Man Mountain'Carnera.I tend to respect him a little more than he is<br />
given credit for. I have watched quite a few of his fights and I feel he was a<br />
good boxer, obviously manafactured who did'nt punch with his full weight.<br />
Whether this was due to lack of skill or the fact that he did'nt want to hurt<br />
the other guy is open to debate. He had decent speed for his size and good<br />
reflexes. He was probably as good as he could have possibly been his size in<br />
that generation.For your information I have the following Carnera fights : - Joe<br />
Louis, Max Baer, Ernie Schaff, George Godfrey, Jack Sharkey 1 (complete), Jack<br />
Sharkey 2,Jim Maloney 1, Ray Impelletiere, Tommy Loughran and Vittorio Campolo.<br />
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|7/30/03 09:44:11 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|Massimo, I<br />
believe Canera beat Loughran because of his size advantage, not skill. over six<br />
inches in height and 100 pounds in weight is too much for most fighters to<br />
overcome. <strong>The</strong>re is a reason there are weight classes in boxing. <strong>The</strong> bigger man<br />
usually has an advantage.I agree with Evren, I have a lot of respect for<br />
Canera, not because he was a great boxer, but because he had, as I mentioned in<br />
my other post, a lot of courage.I am from the Southern California area<br />
and the Lakers are my team. But for now I won't say go Kobe because he is<br />
facing some serious legal charges. As a fan, I hope he is innocent but if he is<br />
guilty, then he needs to go to jail like anyone else. <strong>The</strong> law needs to treat