January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
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programs. Football is no walk in the park, but takes a back seat to boxing. <strong>The</strong><br />
average fighter comes out with fewer overall injuries, but those to his head and<br />
often vital organs are usually worse. Even for kids who'd be in the lighter<br />
divisions, there are sports they can take part in other than boxing, though the<br />
chances of making money in any but soccer are small (and you can't make anything<br />
in that in the US).It used to be said that the inept fighter sustained<br />
the worst damage, but that isn't true. <strong>The</strong> poor fighter doesn't stick around,<br />
and is typically knocked out early and often if he tries to continue. Good<br />
fighters have longer careers, fight better fighters, and the higher up they go,<br />
the more long fights they have (against other good people). While there's a<br />
range of ability to take a punch in the elite ranks, all of the guys are pretty<br />
durable. <strong>The</strong> movie Rocky was illustrative of the kind of punishment a palooka<br />
takes. <strong>The</strong> unrealistic part of the movies was that no one, I don't care it it's<br />
Rocky ~Marciano~ takes that number and severity of punches, and stays up. That's<br />
Hollywood though!Muhammed Ali may have scared a lot of people off. <strong>The</strong>re<br />
are other tragedies out there, as we know, but the public at large is usually<br />
unaware of most of them, other than MA. Of course, kids are all bulletproof in<br />
their minds, and can always look to George Foreman, who shows no signs at all of<br />
ever having been a boxer, and is richer than Ali to boot. |<br />
|8/25/03 02:58:27 PM|Gerry Schultz|Ohio||jgschultz11@msn.com||||9|Some<br />
interesting recent posts. Tubby mentioned the early 60's era, which did have a<br />
very interesting set of heavies, including Eddie Machen, who gave JQ an<br />
important lesson. Floyd got good press as an excellent boxer and courageous<br />
fighter, but was too extended beyond 190lbs to stick, which is why he got<br />
repeatedly flattened by the likes of Ingo, Rademacher, etc. who were real<br />
heavies, so was not great as heavy . Floyd would have been your early 60's CW<br />
Champ, Road'ette. But JQ would have beat him at 190 if they met 1967-68, they<br />
met then as heavies. Liston is considered great from that era, maybe the only<br />
one before Ali, Liston was the Foreman of that period, with size/power<br />
advantages few could even challenge then. In beating Liston, Ali knew how to<br />
beat Foreman years in advance, but it was a greater victory the second time as<br />
Ali was clearly declining, as Ken Norton and others revealed. Few liked the<br />
trash-talking Clay/Ali, but they called him great, on the level with Rocco and<br />
Louis in 1966, if not earlier. He was a revolution as a fighter, unprecedented<br />
speed and movement, was truly tough, made great use of height and reach<br />
especially on his toes. Agree with Tubby, his mental portion was the best part<br />
of his game. But he went too far against Frazier and made Joe the raging slugger<br />
who would clearly beat him. Massimo, Shaq has hundreds of millions of fans<br />
around the world and for good reason. He's a remarkable athlete and basketball's<br />
most dominant player today. Being the best in any era is a remarkable<br />
acheivement. Mac Foster was a size/power guy with a lot of wins, but few name<br />
opponents before <strong>Jerry</strong>, I beleive. JQ was treated like a trial horse, an<br />
"opponent", for Foster, Shavers and Lyle and he schooled them all! <strong>Jerry</strong> was<br />
just 196 for Foster, but way ahead in experience and skill. To Kent, Evren etc.,<br />
this does further prove your skill versus muscle arguement. Lennox Lewis is<br />
champ not because he's 6-5 245, but because he can (could?) outbox any heavy<br />
since 1996. Early 90's had nice group of heavies Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield, Lewis,<br />
Morrison, other good top10, top20 guys. Opinions comparing to other periods? Ali<br />
was 6'3" probably 215 in his prime, could outbox any of today's giants easily.<br />
He, Frazier, Foreman are generally considered great, after that it's a matter of<br />
opinion. Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield also, though personally not sure I agree.<br />
Liston was somewhat lost after curious AliII fight, but had been in the ring<br />
since the late 1950's, so might have been beatable by the right fighter, but not<br />
as ripe as you think,Chuck Wepner. Agree with Evren about Earnie Shavers, who<br />
had very high KO%, huge punch, which JQ took very well, but smashed others. He<br />
gave Larry Holmes a great match. A dangerous, underrated heavy. <strong>The</strong> first<br />
confused Don King graduate. Good to see someone mention the Euro-heavies of the