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their make up.Some can get better by learning to slip and relax when tagged and others just get tense and anxious waiting to get tagged.Result is down!!Good example are tough man contests where the baddest street fighters hit each other.Most of the time someone gets knocked cold by an average shot to the head.A lot of big strong guys can't do 1 pull up,ever notice that?Ali was the master at taking punches and Big George got rocked by some average fighters.He showed it when Ali didn't. | |10/7/03 04:02:06 PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|It is the way one is physically put together that determines ability or lack of it to take a hard punch without going down or out.>I think mental/emotional architecture has a big play too, but you're right - there's definitely something about the construction of the brain, its chemistry (not understood at this point in time) that makes a big difference.Some can get better by learning to slip and relax when tagged and others just get tense and anxious waiting to get tagged.>I've noticed some disparity in the way guys who could take a punch handled it. Some of the rocks' heads barely turn at all (Frazier, Chuvalo and Bonavena were like that), while Ali, who really didn't have a bull neck, swivelled his head, loose as a goose. A strong neck can help for sure, though Tyson's neck starts at the sides of his earlobes, and he isn't even close to being in Ali's class for taking a punch (who is?). On a slightly different note, have you noticed too how often the top fighters are able to keep their eyes open when tagged, rather than succumbing to the natural instinct to blink?Result is down!!Good example are tough man contests where the baddest street fighters hit each other.Most of the time someone gets knocked cold by an average shot to the head.A lot of big strong guys can't do 1 pull up,ever notice that?>Oh sure, I have. There are guys in the NFL who are benching 600 pounds, who couldn't pull themselves up an inch, or the other sort, the "country boy strong" guys, without any definition at all, who throw guys around as an angry child would a doll.Ali was the master at taking punches and Big George got rocked by some average fighters.He showed it when Ali didn't.>It's interesting to note that both men took punches better when they became ~men~, not the silly little boys they were at the beginning of their careers.Speaking of strength, we're members of the Brookfield Zoo near Chicago, and at one of the parties a couple of Summers ago, one of the curators of the ape house told a story about one on the gorillas. It's amazing enough the way they throw those tires around, but this particular ape turned a tractor tire ~inside out~!!!| |10/7/03 04:50:59 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|Tyson isn't close to being in Ali's class but he can take a punch very well. In all his losses he didn't fall for a single punch, but after a long beating. He also took well Ruddock's heavy punches in both their fights. Toney can take a punch very well too.| |10/7/03 11:18:21 PM|kookoo|ny||kookooclock000@yahoo.com||||8|you expect teddy atlas to give you a real answer about tyson vs ali, of course he's going to say ali, he's sour grapes about tyson, since tyson got rid of him. frazier can have all the heart in the world it would not do him any good against tyson. liston never fought anybody even close to being as vicious as tyson. he was way too slow, it would be a short night for liston. tyson afraid of liston who would look like he was moving in slow motion. please guys get out of the past, frazier would just make the top ten if he was lucky, too small, don't hit hard enough, fraziers left hook , the only one anybody remembers is that knockdown of ali, which happened in the fifteenth rd when he was dog tired. give me a break man. coo coo| |10/8/03 03:45:11 AM|Big Mel|Kompton||bigmel@hotmail.com||||8|koo koo, you are one strange duck. You have bizarre ideas, you're pathologically opinionated, you get off on disagreeing with people and making them dislike you, and you smell like Ezzard Charles' jock strap. You'd be doing everyone here a big favor if
you'd bugger off. If Tyson is so great, how did Holyfield manage to humiliate him? Twice? Who did Tyson ever beat who was comparable to Ali's opponents? Or Frazier's? Have you ever watched a boxing match, or do you fake it what you pick up on these websites? Good comments on Ali's unusual training to take punches, people. No one so far has mentioned the will to survive getting hit. Marciano and La Motta both exceled at that. Most of you have never had regulation fights in the ring. In a tough fight, there will be many times when you are dazed and could go out. Ali used to talk about being in the land where crocodiles play saxophones -- this semi-conscious nether world every boxer knows. It takes strong will and determination to keep going and not let yourself slip under, right, Massimo? The urge to give up and sleep can be almost overpowering, when you are more exhausted than most human beings can imagine. Champions are strong-willed people or they don't last as champions. There is very little significant variation between the physical elements such as skull size and thickness, etc. That's not it. Neither is a strong, thick neck. Just watch some of the great thin Mexican fighters who will not be knocked out if you hit them with a baseball bat. The power of suggestion is the main thing going on when a fighter believes he will lose, or can;t win, or cannot possibly beat a given opponent. Patterson had a bad case of this against Liston, as who wouldn't? Tyson built a career on it. So did Ali. As the mind goes, so goes the body. How come nobody ever says anything negative about Jerry Quarry here? I she supposed to be some kind of saint? He was a stupid fighter and had a mean streak. He picked fights outside the ring all his life, and enjoyed beating people up. I dare anybody to admit that or deny it. If Jerry hadn't been white, he would not have had the same career and neither promoters or fans would have been so interested in him. Again, koo koo, beat it. | |10/8/03 06:13:48 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Koo Koo, lots of people think that Liston was slow only because they saw him against a young Cassius Clay. Against Clay, everyone looked cumbersome. Liston certainly didn't look slow against Floyd Patterson who, I remind you, was trained by Tyson's mentor (Cus D'Amato). Patterson lasted 126 seconds in the first fight and 130 seconds in the second. In that era, Liston was more feared than Tyson ever was in his prime. Although I think that Tyson would probably have beaten Liston, I don't think the result would be a 'given'. Liston was capable of intimidating Tyson, just like Holyfield did before his first fight with 'Iron Mike'. At the press conference Holyfield glared at Tyson and said, "You don't bother me one bit." Holyfield wasn't intimidated and this spooked Tyson and Holyfield won the fight before it even began. Liston was more capable of intimidating Tyson than Tyson ever was of intimidating Liston. And that brings us back to the weakness that stopped Tyson from being one of the greats: he was a mentally weak bully. (His other weakness is that he is unable to absorb punishment.) After the Douglas fight, Tyson discarded the bobbing head and body movement and thereafter he became an easy target to hit. By the way, Big Mel, cruel demean those who speak them more than the person targeted in the attack. Monuments are never built for critics. (P.S. Massimo - I enjoy your comments and your sense of humour). | |10/8/03 07:12:33 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|The huge money fights of today are making it difficult for any of the current fighters to achieve immmortal greatness. In my opinion, a guy like Tyson simply hasn't fought enough. Having one fight every 18 months to 2 years, no matter how good you are, doesn't work. Larry Holmes was a great champion because he defended the title so many times (and it didn't hurt that most of these fights were on network television for the whole world to see). Look how many times Muhammad Ali fought after winning the title (both after Liston and after Foreman). Now, managers are scared to death that having a guy fight too many times will spoil a big payday against a certain contender, so the waiting game is on all the time. It's why we never saw Lewis-Bowe, a natural fight that would have been that
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THE JERRY QUARRY FOUNDATION LETTERS
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knockdowns. Forrest fought a great
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organization to be described as act
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could greatly improve the sport in
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oxing shows on Thursday nights with
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to his extra skill level and he win
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twice (official and unofficial)whil
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196 anymore. He could have been in
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eplying,i just like to say that in
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probably would have beaten Ellis on
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matchups. Quarry faired much better
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ivens,sam mcvey.i must plead the fa
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for Max although Schmeling holds hi
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of trouble twice. Jerry had a simil
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other going down hill. However, he
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fight interviews, Lewis was often a
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|6/19/02 12:50:45 PM|Kent|La Habra,
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|6/24/02 10:18:55 AM|Bob Bumbera|NC
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fight with Jerry. I remember a whil
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|7/3/02 08:28:44 AM|Joe Krause|Chic
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powerful for his size, and too used
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I HOPE WE ALL CAN KEEP THIS WEBSITE
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of glitz, cash and excess, gets jus
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|7/18/02 01:23:30 PM|Sabrina Quarry
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seen a millon times. I am looking f
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forum knuck,knuck, knuck. and lesli
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attacked. He would hurt Joe for sur
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authority on taking a punch, George
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tactical opportunities. He had Fraz
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tussle he witnessed between Jerry a
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|8/26/02 08:35:33 PM|Gerry Schultz|
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our pick to win. Hurry back Evren,
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Frazier is as courageous a fighter
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QUARRY'S COME BACK VS LORENZO ZANON
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supposedly set when Coetzee was bri
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JABBOXING@YAHOO.COMWWW.ANGELFIRE.CO
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comeback. And i still say that had
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after Zack Clayton counted 10. He w
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outfought by Ali and Young when pla
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STUDENT WITH A 22-2 RECORD, NO PUNC
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|10/16/02 07:34:25 PM|charles ander
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DIDNT FIGHT ANYONE WITH A NAME UNTI
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Norton. I think George just cut the
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oxing fans? I have some old Ring ma
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he said. ' Watching a guy by the na
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Back to boxing; two former long tim
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|11/27/02 04:42:48 PM|Carl Weingart
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Frazier. If anyone is interested co
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JQ or MIKE QUARRY ever Quitting wit
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his fights with Dwight {the Camden
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seconds of a video clip). I know he
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EVERY ROUND although he was also a
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fight Bonavena. I give the edge to
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sunlight?Every time he smacked one
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found two champs who matched up poo
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future,the bout took place nov.2,19
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from the sport.I don't mean fighter
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TIME, WHAT DO EMILE GRIFFITH, FORES
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tourniment!There are surely enough
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|1/25/03 09:19:02 AM|Sonia Hathaway
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I THOUGHT IT WAS DEDICATED TO IMPRO
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overflowedSpawns Face of Sweet Reme
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who commits suicide usually has dee
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|2/17/03 02:08:41 PM|Max Hord|ferna
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On the most part, my family, althou
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NICE GUY WHO MANAGED AMONG OTHERS,
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TED GULLICK. I WANTED TO SAY SOMETH
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you are ridiculing me by mentioning
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had surprisingly quick hands. I als
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George Foremen. I asked Sandy who h
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class guy, a lotta people did not k
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CONCERNED,IS ESPN'S SHOWING ALI-QUA
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unbeatable. It would be a long shot
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punch hard in the first round.Most
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|3/22/03 07:55:53 PM|Forest Ward|So
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fight more effectively backing up t
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Polite,Boone Kirkman, I'm stumped o
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there.Sometimes we agree and other
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Beat Shavers in a fantastic perform
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any other fighter born,would have t
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grudges around here. Every once in
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at the hands of George Foreman. It
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Imagine the poor guy that tried to
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The recent James Toney verses Vassi
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fighter's were protected against to
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knocked out but was totally exhaust
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anking and that is much better the
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LETTING ME ADD ON TO THE JERRY QUAR
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that Norton showed how much heart h
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took a lot of punishment is proof o
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others' careers and boxing in gener
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winning. Something I just couldn't
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losses to good fighters. Chuvalo fo
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words to cool him down. The Ring ma
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could tell that much in one round?
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knew this and they covered it up by
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fight between him and Roy Jones wou
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ing and the most consistent winner
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Square Garden, New YorkFebruary 10,
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ecause your attitude is offensive.
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already been fighting amateur at a
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Johanssen, or a Buster Douglas on t
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Primo is not comparable with Shaq.
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Evren: with all the respect for the
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that is the rule. If you get to far
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decision. Frazier was made to order
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just read what guys like Frazier an
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with a young Joe Frazier and lost a
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well. Almost 30 years after they fo
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60's, they gave Ali very good match
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history, for as I believe Frank Def
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ut Lyle wasn't as devastating as Fo
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Quarry. It’s a great program, and
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is a top 5 all-timer because he cou
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shoulder and side in it, in smooth
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the fight, and even after several w
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person.In addition, a top pro would
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ferocious opponents he went up agai
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unpredictable as Ali, like a chess
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speech isn't always affected, or as
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* I'm not so sure Frazier would go
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with Ron Lyle and designed the plan
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aphasia might walk across a room, p
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interests of TJQF and the American
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suffering from the Parkinson's Synd
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!)***What can I say? I get interest
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curious, and see a possibility for
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was in his left eye, it's possible
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fighters, and would any day over a
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paralell to the floor,and keep him
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skillful and quick too, not just so
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