January 2002 - October 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation
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heavily around the head so that he would experience the sensation and know how<br />
to react when it happened again. I remember reading that Ali called it the "land<br />
of the half dream". He often didn't wear head protection when sparring. As a<br />
result of this training Ali not only had extreme tolerance to knockout punches,<br />
but he also knew how to pretend that he wasn't hurt when he was actually hurt<br />
very badly. <strong>The</strong>re were other times when Ali actually pretended to be hurt and<br />
his confused opponent didn't know whether he was or wasn't. Ali's current<br />
problems are probably due to the punches he took at training just as much as the<br />
ones he got in real fights. And Koo Koo, Tyson would NEVER have beaten Ali.<br />
NEVER. Teddy Atlas once said that Tyson would have lasted seven rounds maximum<br />
with Ali. By then Ali would have broken Tyson psychologically. Atlas said that<br />
Tyson was never strong enough mentally to beat Ali, Louis and the other greats.<br />
Apart from Tyson's weak psychological state, he would not have been able to<br />
knock Ali out and it would be sheer fantasy to think that he could beat '<strong>The</strong><br />
Greatest' on points by out-boxing him. Likewise, Louis would not have had any<br />
problems with Tyson. A Tyson v Marciano fight would have been different, though.<br />
Marciano would have soaked up some punishment from Tyson before stopping him<br />
late in the fight. Tyson had most of the tools bar two - mental toughness, and<br />
the ability to absorb punishment. Ali and the others were always willing to pick<br />
themselves up off the canvass to win a fight. Tyson wasn't.|<br />
|10/7/03 04:59:21 AM|Massimo|Rome||8||||10|KooKoo-I think nobody can<br />
deny Joe Frazier was a great champion. He had arguably the best left hook ever<br />
and surely the biggest heart ever. <strong>The</strong> 3 Ali' fights are a wonderful gift for<br />
all the boxing's fans. I doubt that even a prime Tyson could have beaten the<br />
Frazier of Thrilla. Tyson never showed a big heart. I can't see him fighting<br />
like a lion for 14 rounds as Frazier did.I never saw Tyson coming from<br />
behind, overcoming difficulties and finally winning a tough fight. He never<br />
showed Frazier's heart !|<br />
|10/7/03 07:13:46 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Tyson was only<br />
good if he could intimate his opponents. Actually he was GREAT if he could. But<br />
if the other guy was not afraid (Holyfield, Douglas, Lewis) something died in<br />
him. Tyson would have wet his pants at the weigh in had he ever fought Sonny<br />
Liston. One glare from Sonny would have sealed it. He would have spanked Mike<br />
like he was a little boy. I would honestly bet my life on that.|<br />
|10/7/03 09:12:20<br />
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Paul - yes, I<br />
remember reading the same thing. I imagine there's something physiological about<br />
being able to take a punch too, but I don't think there's any doubt that part of<br />
the psychological component is one's intimacy with it. He said ahead of the<br />
Foreman fight that the fact that he (Ali) had been down, had been stunned, and<br />
knew how to handle it, gave him a big advantage over Foreman, who had careened<br />
to the championship like a semi knocking aside Volkswagens. I remember reading<br />
Ali's descriptions of the half dream, the hallucinations, the things he heard,<br />
and how he welcomed it, rather than freaking. Cus d'Amato, Patterson's and<br />
Tyson's trainer, said that anyone who's knocked out by a punch they see coming,<br />
secretly wants it to happen. I think that may be going a little far, but it<br />
certainly addresses the mind's possible chaotic response to a massive assault,<br />
which Ali likely minimized by becoming familiar with it. Steve -<br />
>the best fight between two mortal human beings that will ever take<br />
place!That's for sure. Never has there been such a combination of<br />
emotion, physical skill, and anticipation.|<br />
|10/7/03 01:46:42 PM|max hord|fernandina bch,fla||rasluc@msn.com||||10|I<br />
explained my personal thoughts about one's ability to take a punch in an earlier<br />
post.I'll say it again but in a different way.It is the way one is physically<br />
put together that determines ability or lack of it to take a hard punch without<br />
going down or out.<strong>The</strong> glass jaw term is used when a fighter gets floored by an<br />
average punch.His jaw doesn't break as stated.Every fighter is different in